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Matt Gurney: 'We will never fucking trust you again'
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I can't say never because that's quite a long time to make guarantees but I imagine it would take at least a couple generations for the international trust in the US to return to comparable levels.
2017-2020 could have been a blip on the timeline. 2021 we had some progress but the US leadership was practically asleep at the wheel in terms of dealing with the open preparation of fascist takeover in 2025. Now in 2025 the largest military force in the world, its highest internal court, both its governing houses, the various departments that were supposed to serve the public interest are all led by a gaggle of self-serving clowns. And the country's commander-in-chief can barely remember what they said a minute ago and has trouble staying awake in public meetings.
So I think with a major reversal of fortunes and a program to de-Nazify itself at a scale unseen since WWII, the world could take the US seriously again after 2028 at the earliest. The trust will take a lot longer to come back.
There would literally have to be many thousands of executions for this country to be trustworthy again. Anything short of that will result in the exact same shit happening again in 3 years.
yeah I'm not actually trusting the US until there are clear signs that this shit is not to be tolerated, and it's been that way for over a decade
anything less will just get a pat on the head and a half assed "good job kiddo, you're doing great" while I turn back to pay attention to worthwhile things
That's exactly how I felt about the US after 2001.
Fair. Let's just say that nobody alive now, nor the offspring of any of those, will trust the USA. It will be at least the third generation before the USA stands a chance of being trusted by anybody who is not suffering from genuine brain damage.
Even if the democrats return to power they would have to clearly demonstrate a commitment to the old values. Not just words, actual actions would be required.
lol democrats returning to power is just more of the same. that's not gonna do it.
Yeah, the Biden administration was their last chance to turn this around and they blew it hard. Done now.
Best I can see coming out of a Democratic win would be another temporary pause in America's decline. I don't think they can recover without a complete shattering of their system so that it can perhaps be rebuilt or replaced.
So, an impossibly then. Their donors/sponsors/puppeteers are the same as the Republicans'.
Yeah that's the issue really. A lot of Americans seem to think that I'd the Republicans loose the next election / they do badly at the primarys (assuming there is one, I have my doubts) everything will go back to normal. It won't.
I suppose a 3rd party might rise to power due to public distrust of the big two.
I think Zohran Mamdani has a good chance of starting this.
That's exactly why the Democratic party never embraced him from the beginning; he's not playing by their rules, and he's not paid by their masters. I think that he and others like him have a very real chance of starting third political party in this country because it's not just that people are fed up with the Republicans or the people are fed up with the Democrats is that people are fed up with the complete ineptitude of both parties to get anything used for meaningful done.
In the case of the Republicans they play like there's some bad guy and they're fighting for their followers and pinning the blame on immigrants or trans people or blacks or whoever is convenient that year.
In the case of the Democrats they talk a good game but they never get anything done because if they actually solved something it would piss off the people giving the money. So like before when they had full control of house in Congress they didn't do shit. And then to keep from being voted out or to get voted back in they'll say hey at least we're not Republican.
I don't see the difference anymore because functionally they're doing the same thing, the Democrats are just quieter about it.