Oh hey look what’s peeking from beneath the fog it’s the real purpose of the state of Israel!
To serve as a giant western military base creating a perpetually active war zone in which they can test out weapon technologies and even innovate new ones!
I feel like Israel doesn't really serve much of a purpose as a military testing facility. All they do is snipe 5 year old kids and get their tanks blown up by a dude on literal flip flops walking up to it and throwing in a mine. Even their iron dome is utterly worthless and gets demolished by Hamas who just overwhelms it with garbage rockets costing 100x less.
Europe had a very strong arms industry until they decided to outsource all their production to America and Israel. The stuff Israel offers really isn't that impressive. 90% of Israel's military capabilities is throwing American bombs on hospitals with American F35's.
I mean, they aren't JUST shooting 5 year olds in gaza. They're killing people in all of their neighboring countries too.
They are engaged in continuous operations that let American and European defense firms verify the effectiveness of and learn how to desert modify their weaponry
Not many countries have essentially unlimited defenseless people to just test weapons on for fun
Experience matters and if you aren’t engaged in combat operations your military complex will lack compared to those who are
I genuinely don't think blowing up 1000 schools is a great way to "battle test" weapons. Might as well be blowing up stationary cardboard targets.
The only time Israel gets to test against real weapons is during their 12 day war with Iran. Where the entire system they worked on so hard for decades gets overwhelmed by a barrage of missiles in the most expected fashion possible, and the US wastes like 30% of their interceptor stockpile and is now running a defecit.
The biggest reason I don't believe America controls Israel is because Israel has nukes (with secrets stolen from the US). The US would never hand over nukes to a proxy. Certainly not one as unreliable as Israel.
Ukraine is definitely the new gold mine but most countries don’t expect actual state v state war.
They want weapons for use on defenseless civilians because that’s 99% of the likely and intended uses for military applications in the west. American cops are literally trained by IDF units to use their tactics. Our military equipment is directly sold to domestic cops.
The west has no better test bed than Israel for learning militant apartheid strategies
That makes no sense either because Israel is using the most advanced stealth fighter jets to throw the heaviest bunker buster bombs on... stationary targets above ground.
I really don't think that leveling an entire city with bombs has any practical use whatsoever. There is no GPS jamming, no advanced defense systems. Nothing which improves the advanced weaponry in any meaningful way that wouldn't be achieved by simply painting some read targets in a Nevada deserts and checking how accurate the bombs would hit there.
Cops aren't getting F35's. The only valid use which can be argued is that Israel has is their mass surveillance systems and police state which does see actual use in export to the US and Europe.
It really feels like everyone is desperately trying to ignore the fact that Israel has basically all of US congress on their payroll, and the reason the US is giving taxpayer money to Israel is not out of self interest. AIPAC is the elephant in the room here.
Dropping bombs with stealth jets isn’t the vast majority of what they do.
The majority of what they do is with people on the ground in close urban scenarios. They are equivalently armed to us police in almost all these instances.
AIPAC is a vehicle thru which these interests are effected
Israel barely does ground combat in Gaza. 90% of its campaign is bombing hospitals and schools from the sky. When they finally roll up to do some ground combat some dude in flip flops walks up and throws a mine into their tank and they take heavy casualties.
What Israel does in the West Bank is comparable with US police minus the land mines in the West Bank. But Israel is not spending billions in military funding on their West Bank raids.
They are continually engaged in ground operations in Gaza and the West Bank. This is the part that’s most relevant to domestic law enforcement and why so many major departments in America receive direct training from the idf.
This is an article from 2016 talking about cops training with the idf. It’s not made up. Nearly all of their militant acts are useful in some way and they are incentivized by themselves and the west to be a premier partner here
For more recent information on the continual training of cops by the idf
Why wouldn't the unsinkable aircraft carrier have nukes?
Because a proxy is supposed to be fully reliant on the host and not have insane amounts of autonomy
Also America paying a visit to the guy who stole the nukes and is blackmailing America into doing their bidding because Israel has nukes lmao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-_6nn5XdOw
A real testing ground for American weapons is Ukraine where America is fighting a real army. Guess who's not getting nukes though.
The US obviously doesn't just obey the demands of every nuclear armed country, so something else must be happening.
Israel is an extension of the US, it's part of the US rather than a puppet of the US. Israel is no more a proxy than Texas is.
I don't think Israel is a reliable partner to the US whatsoever. If they see the tides are shifting they will gladly ally with Russia or China whenever it becomes more convenient. They have already sold US secrets to Russia multiple times. Bombed the USS liberty etc. Of all the US "allies" in the Middle East, Israel is the least reliable one. Ask Britain what happened to the King David hotel.
Now compare that to Qatar and other Gulf states which are literally paying the US billions in "protection money" so the US can put military bases all over their country which it then uses to bomb Iran (for Israel). Now that's what we call a good deal. And then Israel goes ahead and bombs Qatar and the US turns off the air defense systems so they can do it.. Now that's a surefire way to get all the countries paying for US to host military bases to look elsewhere.
Israel is getting far too much playing money for how bad they are behaving.
That's because Qatar and other Gulf states are actually proxies, they are dependent on the US.
Israel isn't like that because it's an extension of the US. The US doesn't control Israel, it is Israel. Israel doesn't control the US, it is the US. They're two heads on the same hydra. If the tides shifted so far that Israel was looking towards Russia or China, that probably means the US is in full collapse and we'd also see Texas join BRICS or some shit.
Dependance is a big part of what it entails to be a proxy. A proxy isn't supposed to get too much autonomy lest it will start looking out for its own interest over the host when it gets too perful. Israel is playing all sides. Giving a proxy nukes is certainly not a real thing.
This gets even clearer when looking at the Israel-Russia relation. Israel refused to send weapons to Ukraine because then Russia would probably start selling their anti-air and other weapons to Iran. For an unsinkable aircraft carrier Israel is extremely unreliable because Russia is much closer to Israel in proximity than Israel is to the US. Therefore Israel plays friendly with Russia, against US policy (and even sells US secrets to Russia).
The US doesn’t control Israel, it is Israel.
If that's the case I'd love to hear an explanation for Israel bombing Qatar which is under US protection. That was a ridiculously bad move for US prominence in the region. And the whole part where Israel threatens US presidents with nukes under their planes.
I keep saying that Israel isn't a proxy. It should be thought of more like the 51st state. Is Texas a US proxy? Obviously not!
Just because the US and Israel are two heads of the same entity doesn't mean that there aren't internal contradictions that manifest as differences in strategy and tactics. There's an ongoing intrafactional dispute over how the imperialist project should be carried out going forward as the empire transitions to a new phase - sort of like how we see Trump eroding US prominence by ending USAID, chaotically slapping tariffs on its own allies, completely throwing away the figleaf of international law, etc etc.
Playing nice with Russia isn't proof of much. There are bourgeois factions within the US that also want to bring Russia on-board for the encirclement of China, so the fact that Israel might also want to do the same thing shouldn't be surprising. Israel playing friendly with Russia isn't a betrayal of the US, but rather, a strategic ambiguity that leaves the door open for Russia to jump ship.
As for attacking Qatar, the US imposed a "peace plan" less than 3 weeks later which Israel immediately accepted. That doesn't look like Israel calling the shots, nor does it look like Israel is a proxy. They look like co-equal partners that sometimes disagree, but ultimately can unify when they need to for the sake of their overall agenda.
My bad I misunderstood what you meant. But the "51th state" narrative is completely false too. In fact it's literally the newest Israeli propaganda, since their "we are doing the dirty work for the US" narrative fell apart.
MondoWeiss - The Shift: 50 States, One Israel
Just because the US and Israel are two heads of the same entity doesn’t mean that there aren’t internal contradictions that manifest as differences in strategy and tactics
This isn't entirely false but Israel and the US have very different goals. Israel doesn't abide by US weapon transfer laws, has its own legal system, and most importantly contrary to Ukraine, Israel gets their weapons for free with a direct full cash donation.
The way to make Israel part of the US is to make it reliant on the US is by debt-trapping it like the US debt-traps itself. But the US doesn't do that, because Israel refuses to be tethered to the US. It just wants free weapons... and somehow gets it!.
The US is in the position of power but is giving away all its cards for free.
As for attacking Qatar, the US imposed a “peace plan” less than 3 weeks later which Israel immediately accepted. That doesn’t look like Israel calling the shots, nor does it look like Israel is a proxy.
The US let Israel bomb Qatar and knew Israel was going to do it.
The peace plan being Israel taking half the Gaza strip and getting all their captives back. And then continuously violating it. Israel clearly just did a PR stunt and got everything they wanted out of it. Even China and Russia bowing to Israel and handing Israel half of Gaza at the UNSC. And Israel is already moving bombing Lebanon, invading Syria, and very likely pulling the US into another Iran war soon.
To be clear, Israel doesn't fully controll the US. There are many different lobbies in the US. Healthcare, OPEC, Agro, Israel, etc. But all Israel's power revolves around a single topic which most other lobbies don't care about. So Israel can easily get their way most of the time. That said, when they start touching the other lobbies, especially the OPEC as Israel did in Qatar, we start seeing pushback.
But that gets to the crux of my point. The US doesn't support Israel out of self-interest. It supports Israel until Israel starts harming the self-interest of the US hard enough to get other big lobbies involved. And bombing Qatar was certainly one of those moves.
Always has been.
GaaS
who knew genocide was profitable.
When the media decides who you are rooting for.
