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[-] MehBlah@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

All these so called conservatives want to go back to the fifties socially but none of them want it financially.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Great review with a good basis in history, logic, and facts.

[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 1 points 1 day ago

Financial obesity. Money hoarders. Sociopaths.

Stick to the correct language for these greedy little piglets.

[-] tomiant@piefed.social 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

No, capitalism is destroying the world. Capitalism promotes greed, but the base issue is the system that favors and rewards these behaviors.

Look at it this way- you may be the most equitable and charitable motherfucker in the real world, but if you sit down to play Monopoly with your family, you will become a vile corporate money hoarder and at some point someone will get so furious you'll be finding those little red house pieces in odd corners and between seating cushions for years.

It is not people, it is the system that is the problem.

[-] MinFapper@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Eh, remember humans invented capitalism.

The problem is that our brains were designed for eating berries in a cave, not driving industrialized processes at global scale.

Our range of empathy extends roughly to our line of sight. When people in our social circle are suffering in front of us, most of us will try to do something for them. But people that are far away that get affected by our actions exist only in the logical part of our brains and don't evoke an emotional response.

[-] jaaake@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Living under capitalism forces you to adapt or perish. I hate money. I hate having to spend time thinking about investments and retirement and savings and down payments and credit scores. Cost of living in my city is insane and I'm terrified that if my income doesn't increase every year, I won't be able to keep up with escalating rent and bills. In order to keep my life as it is, I am forced to think like a capitalist.

When everything around me is becoming more expensive, I must also increase my personal profits.

[-] TronBronson@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Idk traveling around the world made me more empathetic and understanding of people. Some people travel the world and decide to conquer it… ya know? It’s just people.

Right. The question is: are Americans genetically pre-disposed to be more greedy, or is it their system that makes them that way?

[-] TronBronson@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Like was citizens united a failure of our economic system or government? One would argue Americans could have pressured their government to legislate that out but were too stupid to see that a cause of the problem: is that capitalism or a lack of education and active citizenship

[-] TronBronson@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

No you’re on point we value greed more in 2025 than we did in 1925-1950. I don’t think capitalism or the system its self is problematic. There’s lots of room for social programs, regulations, taxation etc in capitalism to balance the scales. I think having an uneducated overworked population, and decades of political corruption are probably more of the cause than just saying “capitalism bad”. Personally I think having large top heavy institutions always leads to corruption and strong men so add any political system you want. With enough centralized power comes corruption and exploitation.

Lots to agree with here.

…but you’re very far afield from my question.

[-] TronBronson@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I’d urge you to consider most of americas downfall in the last 60 years was sold through fear not greed. Red scares, war on terrorism. Fear caused us to erode our rights to the greediest power-hungry grifters in town. If we were so greedy why would we continue to impoverish ourselves to form an oligarchy. I find the Marx argument on the subject, a bit old and lacking in modern nuance.

Huh, why are you talking about Marx?

Do you believe fear and greed are mutually exclusive?

[-] TronBronson@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Do you think the average American politician is more greedy than: a Saudi politician, a Russian politician, a British empire politician, an Africa warlord chopping off kids hands? An Israeli prime minister? I also disagree that Americans enshroud any more primitive desires than any other human.

Perhaps it’s our culture itself. Not economy or government at all. Maybe id agree with that criticism. It’s just wild to say that 300 million people are more greedy than the other 8 billion people and it’s because we use the same economic system as Norway…

Is comparing greed to evil really appropriate? Just because Gengis Khan existed doesn’t mean all other humans get a pass.

Trying to separate culture from politics isn’t possible.

You’re projecting a lot onto a very brief question I posed…and you’re doing everything but answering it.

[-] TronBronson@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Well we had to define “the system”. If you ask the monarchists: democracy is the corrupt system that allowed the greed and corruption to take hold? Perhaps the uneducated masses don’t need political power because their personal greed and ignorance empowers the capitalists in charge?

I don’t have any fundamental issues with humans owning land and investing in businesses. I don’t think that specification is the one where we went completely wrong. I’d say socialism is where we went wrong (just for lols) we taxed the masses and gave the resources to the few. The government took power from the individuals and handed it to small groups of their friends. And they used it to entrench power in the government. It’s just backward socialism with the money trickling up. The Republican congressmen all got rich on Medicare fraud. It’s crazy how these socialist programs end up solely benefiting the people in charge of them.

Is that a problem with the economic system or the government?

[-] qarbone@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I think I understand this position, such that you don't want people focusing on removing the oligarchs without also dismantling the machine that makes them.

But the machine doesn't have to crush orphans. It gives you a pat on the head and hands you a cookie each time you do crush an orphan but it has other settings. They aren't getting punished for not exploiting the system, they just don't get as much of a reward as they could. No one gets to say "I had no choice but to crush that 99th orphan, so I could get that 99th cookie." You could've stopped at 90, or 50, or 1.

They are exploiting a broken machine, to the detriment of others, for their own benefit. That is nothing but greed.

[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 13 points 2 days ago

As a planet, we have to address this issue of Sociopathic Oligarchs. It used to be that people would get rich enough to affect their own nation, but now we have people like Elon Musk, who are acting like their own personal country, and cutting personal deals with other nations, for his own benefit, with no regard for the nations themselves.

Now the billionaires all have a new objective - to become trillionaires. That will allow them to literally enslave entire nations.

After that, it is only a matter of time before multiple trillionaires form an alliance, and literally take over the world, with a world "government" that will simply be their own personal demands. We will ALL be slaves.

We can't just do it in our country, or they will set up shop somewhere else, and abuse us from a distance. This will take the entire planet agreeing that we have to reign in the power of trillionaires, and I don't see how that happens, when nearly anyone can be turned by a billion dollar bribe.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

As a planet, we have to address this issue of Sociopathic Oligarchs.

  • Address the corrosive effects of concentrated wealth by organizing labor into an equitable society ready to defend itself against imperial aggression

  • Don't get called a Tankie on the internet

You gotta pick one.

We can’t just do it in our country, or they will set up shop somewhere else, and abuse us from a distance.

I mean, we can just do it in our country. And then we can support our peers abroad in their own efforts to do it in their countries. And this is what we'd call a Worker's International.

But... eventually, we'd have to come into conflict with the armed agents of capital. And we'd have to fight them, with many of use dying in the struggle. And if we did this kind of conflict, we'd benefit from some kind of mobile artillery system capable of both shielding us from small arms fire and responding with explosive ordinance.

And oops, now we're Tankies.

I don’t see how that happens, when nearly anyone can be turned by a billion dollar bribe.

Anyone can be turned, but not everyone can be turned. That's the whole prestige of capitalism in the modern era. You get people on board by promising them that they'll be rich one day, too. And if you string enough people along for long enough, you can extract their labor from the economy with a promise of future comfort and economic security nearly indefinitely.

Or, at least until the people you're stringing along exceed the volume of resources at your disposal. Then you need to thin the herd a bit or risk sharing the wealth.

So its Socialism or Barbarism. But there's no ending where we all just get to be billionaires.

[-] orioler25@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

"It used to be that people would get rich enough to affect their own nation... ." When? Where? There has never been a world where borders are a real thing that insulates one state from another (I assume you mean state, "nation" as the imaginary common identity makes even less sense). This is not a matter of a few individuals making this system function poorly, the purpose of this system is to generate wealth for a privileged few.

European imperialism/settler-colonialism and the capitalism that emerged through it has always functioned this way. It was funded by individuals with systemic privilege that afforded exceptional wealth and was realized through the exploitation of poor Europeans disadvantaged in those societies and the genocide of indigenous peoples all over the world.Thousands and thousands of nations were targeted for genocide by people who would never even step foot on the same continent as them. Wealth concentration may have improved the conditions for settlers in some places, but that wasn't for the betterment of the state or nation or whatever you have imagined here. Workers and farmers with relatively high material security and wealth were allowed that level of power because it maintained a racialized and gendered hierarchy that was necessary to effectively carry out the violent extraction of wealth for the most privileged in society. That was in no way universal; there hasn't been centuries of civil recognition and labour rights movements because most people flourished under this system.

There was no break in how this society was organised that allowed these exceptionally naughty billionaires to exist, that amount of wealth concentration is not new and is only possible through a system that devalues life.

I wonder if anyone else has made the observation that a global revolution is necessary to prevent capitalism from killing as much as it desires... 🤔

[-] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 35 points 3 days ago
[-] Ch3rry314@piefed.social 34 points 3 days ago

Except now the level of wealth, influence, and power of a few has reached new levels accelerating the erosion of our planet in a fraction of the time.

[-] deranger@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 days ago

Same as it ever was. Today’s incomprehensible horrors will seem quaint and simple 100 years in the future.

[-] tomiant@piefed.social 11 points 2 days ago

Sigh, when people think they are being profound but just spout the most trivial shit...

[-] deranger@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

No, I don’t think I’m being profound by saying an extremely common phrase akin to “the more things change, the more things stay the same.” I just don’t think today is all that different from the past, even with trillionaires.

[-] Wrufieotnak@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Again: in the past they couldn't, even if they tried, fuck up the whole biosphere of our planet as we are doing right now.

So no, not same as always. The underlying principle yes, but the scale was physically not possible before.

Except if you mean last 150 years, then agreed.

[-] deranger@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Right, and sometime in the future it’ll be an even larger problem like fucking up multiple planets. Of course the problems of today are unique in their scale; they’ll also be dwarfed by problems in the future, and today will seem simple in comparison.

There’s a reason people always think the world / society is going to end with their generation, that we’re somehow unique in the amount of damage we can wreak.

You’d be incredibly lucky to witness the end of the world, it’s something people have been talking about for thousands of years.

Yes, I agree that we have more ability than ever to cause harm to the environment. No, I don’t think the perception of this is anything unique. If you keep advancing, the problems only get worse and worse. Thus, it’s the same as it ever was. People think we’re going to destroy the world just like every other generation has and will in the future.

If you don’t agree, that’s fine. It’s just my opinion, not an objective fact.

[-] prole 2 points 2 days ago

Wouldn't that be more like "same as it ever will be"?

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Just like nuclear technology is no longer a threat to humanity, right? We're dang near a hundred years there.

[-] jimmy90@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

the world will be fine but we may not

live and let live

if we play our cards right we'll be fine

[-] tomiant@piefed.social 10 points 2 days ago

Not the same as it ever was by a longshot. It is very much worse than it ever was, because the engagement to profit has been weaponized and dictates how the entirety of our global civilization fundamentally works.

It is most certainly not the same as it has historically been.

[-] VerilyFemme 5 points 2 days ago

Such a good video. You can and should share it with your family. This is easily the most digestible video for anyone who's not educated on the workings of late stage capitalism.

[-] regedit@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 days ago

I cannot upvote, like, and share this hard enough. This one video sums up all the frustrations I've had for the last two decades!

I'm always on the fenc with Drew Gooden, but this is a good one

[-] CoyoteFacts@piefed.ca 5 points 2 days ago

I'm curious which of their stuff you don't like; Drew is one of the few people I subscribe to on youtube. They're fairly funny, they don't upload that often, and they seem to be genuine in terms of only making content when they think they've got something entertaining, interesting, or important. Even in the sillier videos, the deeper messaging is usually something related to exposing dark patterns.

I think it's more just how I discovered him, the YT algo pushed him to me for quite a while which made me really skeptical of him. His content is decent like you said, but I'm always wary of people the algo pushes.

[-] toynbee@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

TIL coyotes are monogamous. Also, I agree with you about Drew Gooden, though I'm curious about your choice of pronouns.

[-] CoyoteFacts@piefed.ca 4 points 2 days ago

I'm he/him, otherwise I usually try to refer to people as they/them because you never know, and I don't want to have to research people before I refer to them. Down with gendered pronouns IMO - what a nuisance.

[-] toynbee@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

That makes sense. Thank you for taking the time to respond.

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