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Largest Farm to Grow Crops Under Solar Panels Proves To Be A Bumper Crop For Agrivoltaic Land Use::undefined

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[-] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.fmhy.net 36 points 1 year ago

This is harder than it looks.

See those rows of crops? On most farms, you need to be able to drive a tractor through them. I don't mean a riding mower, I mean a giant thing that pulls a tool that's working on 5-10 rows at a time doing things like tilling, seeding, fertilizing, harvesting, etc. If there's big metal pillars every row or every other row, that tool can't be used.
Thus, as pictured, those kinds of panels can only be used on a farm that's not using large multi-row agriculture machinery. That means it'll work for small family farms but not the large ag operations where this sort of tech could really kick ass.

What I would really love to see is more solar over commercial parking lots. That means a million little projects instead of a few huge ones, but think about how much surface area that is overall. It's huge.
The key to doing that is twofold- 1. create a few cookie-cutter designs for the frameworks that can be tweaked for individual projects, and 2. remove red tape from their implementation.
It should be possible for a business to buy off the shelf plans for such a thing, have a local engineer tweak them for the project specifics, and then have a local contractor do the installation, and have this happen in under 6 months.

As it stands, building anything above where humans will be involves a nightmare of engineering and insurance and liability, making it cost-prohibitive for most companies. That needs to get easier. I believe every parking lot should have solar above it- that not only will produce a ton of power, but it'll keep the cars cooler in summer.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

What I would really love to see is more solar over commercial parking lots.

Most of those parking lots shouldn't exist in the first place. They should be turned into actually-useful space by putting dense, walkable buildings on them, then the solar panels should go on top of that.

[-] calewerks@fanaticus.social 3 points 1 year ago

Often times, the only option for smaller communities that are car dependent is just a multi-level garage that has a smaller footprint. But many don't have the demand for downtown commercial real estate that would help it make financial sense.

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[-] zabadoh@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

There are plenty of crops that have to be tended and harvested by hand: Most green leafy vegetables for example.

This opens those fields to dual use alongside power generation, which might reduce agricultural use of fossil fuels, and provide shade for field workers which is especially dangerous with climate change raising heat levels.

[-] shasta@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

So we need levitating solar panels. Got it.

[-] paysrenttobirds@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

Solar Power World reports that Namaste selected sophisticated trackers to follow the sun across the sky, and mounted them according to strategically-measured heights and spacing to allow enough sun to reach the crops below. For each row mounted 8-feet off the ground, providing enough room to drive a tractor under, two were mounted at 6-feet.

Now finished, the electricity Kominek’s farm generates is enough to power 300 private homes, 50 of which are now his energy clients—including the city, and the county. Underneath there are tomatoes, turnips, carrots, squash, beets, lettuce, kale, chard, and peppers.

Others have built them over pasture.

[-] Taringano@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Might be a crazy idea but maybe they can just use smaller tractors. I'm not sure if we have the technology to build Smaller tractors. But since they are needed maybe there could be a Lot of R&D to make a tractor that fits under the space available in these installations.

[-] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.fmhy.net 3 points 1 year ago

Small tractors are easy. The issue is efficiency. The big tractor is big because the tool it pulls behind it covers ~10 rows per pass. You can easily build a small tractor that does 1-2 rows per pass, but that means you need a lot more passes, which means doing anything takes a lot longer.

[-] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In the future, it would be cool to see the steel frames facilitate rails that equipment could ride on and work the field beneath. Perhaps it could even be moved by water pressure, since similar equipment in the shape of large scale sprinklers already exists.

This might never come to pass, because indoor farming can produce the same amount of some crops and grains as the equivalent of 40x as much land.

[-] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

That, or design panels that can be rotated over the combine as it passes, and back into place. I'm thinking driverless combine that wouldn't look anything like the ones we have now. I also have no idea what this would entail.

[-] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 3 points 1 year ago

I think it would be less efficient to move the panels than just build a structure where they aren't in the way.

[-] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

For sure, not too mention the maintenance headache, but moving them is like way cooler

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[-] fhqwgads@possumpat.io 33 points 1 year ago

This seems to largely be a "retelling" of an original story from NPR from 2021. The original has significantly more information from actually interviewing the owner of the project.

[-] gnygnygny@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Agro-solar is a win win. Solar is the fastest and the most economic energy to deploy.

[-] AdamantRatPuncher@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Agrivoltaics isn't the golden goose that you read here and there. There are limited sets of applications, and it requires the application of semi permanent structures which heavily impact on the logistics of field management and operations. Also, the efficiency of such plants isn't as high as that of a pure solar farm, whilst potentially reducing the yields. Its a cool tech but not one that can save us.

[-] olafurp@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Yields with solar are crop dependent. Some crops like berries yield more with solar panel cover.

[-] AdamantRatPuncher@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Right, i didn't explain myself well

[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

The combination has significantly higher yield than the respective reductions though. A farmer applying it will make less money on farming, but much more money in total. But given teh increase in temperatures and droughts due to climate change, the combination can secure yields, as it keeps plants from getting sunburnt and drying out as fast.

[-] AdamantRatPuncher@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Depends. Climate, culture, even the size of the farms. Again, its not an investment that automatically pays off.

[-] Gabu@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Investing in solar energy almost always pays off in the short term

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[-] oolio@feddit.de 17 points 1 year ago

I guess it would depend on the crops, but wouldn't it somewhat limit the use of farming equipment. I assume you're not going to fit a tractor in the field with those panels and supports.

[-] Serisar@feddit.de 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It depends on the type of supporting structure for the panels. In Germany a company built it tall enough to use their normal farm equipment: Image

I've seen pictures of massive tractors pulling several ploughs side by side in the US, that would most likely not work with this, but there are plenty of solutions for anything on a slightly smaller scale.

[-] fhqwgads@possumpat.io 12 points 1 year ago

The original story from NPR says that they're able to drive their tractor between the panels. It's interesting that the project could essentially be described as an end run around a historic designation though. They put 1.2 MW of solar up, and from reading between the lines it seems that's how they're making money, the farming seems to be much more of a side thing that they're required to do for historic reasons.

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[-] evranch@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago

It's usually permanent pasture grazing that's mixed with solar panels. Take low value land that doesn't support the use of large equipment, add value with panels and get free shade for livestock.

[-] AdamantRatPuncher@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Another technique is covering canals with solar panels, with both advantages in terms of lower evaporation and higher efficiency due to the cooling effect of water on panels.

[-] charliespider@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

There's lots of startups making smaller agile AI powered electric robotics for agriculture. Would pair well with a farm like this.

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[-] Ludz@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As this is not mentioned, is it possible to extend the system by collecting rainwater falling on solar panels ?

The rainwater would fall off the slanted panels and fall onto the plants.

[-] pretzelz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

What is you installed a gutter? And made the down pipe go into a bucket

[-] Aosih@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

Then the plants would have no water and die.

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Sure you could do that, but... why?

[-] chuckd@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

To more evenly distribute the collected rainfall rather than to water just the plants sitting under the edge of each solar row? Or to use the rainfall for other farmy things?

[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

the water should distribute itself evenly enough on most soils, but yes you could retrofit it with some distribution system.

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[-] Chickenstalker@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

This is so cool!

[-] fireweed@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Possibly a stupid question, but is there anything toxic in the solar panels or their infrastructure that could contaminate the plants or soil below? Particularly if the panels were damaged in, say, extreme weather, but also as a result of general wear and tear. I'm thinking heavy metal dust, carcinogenic liquid components, that sort of thing. As per the article this seems like it could be a good land use pairing, but not if it renders the soil unfit for agriculture due to a buildup of contamination.

[-] fhqwgads@possumpat.io 21 points 1 year ago

Not an expert, but my gut reaction is not really. The panels themselves are largely glass, aluminum and silicon, with fairly small amounts of doping agents. There are electronics but since they're outside they're largely encased in something, wiring which would be plastic and copper or possibly aluminum, and then the structure itself which is going to be steel and concrete.

Solar panels are significantly more sturdy than one would think given they are essentially a giant piece of glass. They're usually rated to 12mm hail or more, which would normally absolutely devastate a crop. They don't really go bad either they just become less efficient over time. There's no moving parts to wear, no liquids, and in some designs very little in the way of electronics to go bad.

Essentially, I wouldn't be surprised if there would be more harmful contamination from a diesel tractor driving around in the field or from a nearby coal power plant than from any kind of solar array as long as it didn't have like, lead legs or something.

That being said, these kind of projects have been shown a lot but they're unlikely to be used in most large scale farming - they usually interfere with any machines used to plant or harvest, and are only really well suited to a few crops. Parking lots are a much easier target for this type of solar project.

[-] 3laws@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Parking lots or at least literally any public space that still refuses to become a third space or plant enough native plants/trees.

[-] starchylemming@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I've heard of the panels burning down making fhe field unsafe for use in the future

That's not a thing.

[-] fhqwgads@possumpat.io 9 points 1 year ago

Do you have any more information on this? A quick search largely just shows results about how firefighters need to be careful since the panels can look bad but still be producing voltage and are a shock hazard.

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