So did Taiwan, Eastern Europe and dozens of other countries without sacrificing human rights as much as China. So tired of "they're evil but hey that's the only way to not be poor!" bullshit that validates dictators.

Expected better from The Guardian than to use this bait to illustrate US' shortcomings. The world does not revolve around US and to poke america you don't need to validate dictators.

The answer is socialist policies, or social democrat policies, or whatever-the-fuck-you-want-to-name-it-to-come-to-terms-with-it policies. China hasn't even been particularly good with them, they've just managed to have them. That's all you need, to accept them as good instead of demonizing them. Which makes some trends in the countries that do have them sad.

The idea that they have zero poverty is just absurd.

all i can do is lol and roll my eyes

i don't believe a word about china on lemmy

when the richest and oldest democracy in the world wouldn’t.

I like that it uses “wouldn’t” rather than”couldn’t”. So relevant to today’s politics

China, in large part, raised people out of poverty at the expense of the so-called “west”…so it’s no mystery that the US was unable to do the same. The wests’ corporations needed cheap labour, and China was happy to accept the jobs. We all know this. Trump got elected because he was the first to overtly acknowledge that reality and propose a solution. Now, his “solution” will only exasperate the problem because he’s ultimately a corrupt fascist…but there’s a lesson there that hasn’t been learned yet.

Last paragraph basically says it all:

This is not to congratulate China for its authoritarian government, for its repression of minorities or for the iron fist it deploys against any form of dissent. But it merits pondering how this undemocratic government could successfully slash its poverty rate when the richest and oldest democracy in the world wouldn’t.

Not by choice but by design. America is capitalist hell hole and it will get worse day by day

Eh...

I'm glad my homeland is doing a lot better these days, but still, for my family, we end up doing better in the US (we moved around 2010 for context, way before this admin), the first few years in the US was a struggle, the similar stuggle as before in Guangzhou, but eventually we have a house and then we started saving up and we have a small bussiness and some investments here in the US. So it really depends on personal circumstances...

In China, everyone has an ancestral house, but that is in your village; in the city, unless you are from the city, you probably won't have housing. Jobs were in cities, so people migrate there, migrant workers... most of them have to rent a small apartment unit, probably in some slum. There are handweitten "for rent" posters everywhere. My family didn't have to rent, they "bought" an apartment in Guangzhou (bought in quotes because the 70 year lease thing... which we still don't know how it works... 70 years have not passed), its a very shitty one, in a slum neighborhood, but that was all they could afford. Most had to rent.

Prior to the Opening Up and Reforms, people weren't allowed to move around, so you'd just get stuck on your farm... and farming manually... which really sucks.

After the Opening Up and Reforms, the relaxed the restriction on movements. But the Hukou still had restrictions.

I was born in Guangzhou, but wasn't allowed into their public schools, no Guangzhou Hukou, my hukou was Taishan, my mom had to pay for a privately-run one that she said was inferior to the public school. Some migrant workers just left their kids beind in their village to attend school there. So those kids rarely get to see their parents. I did see them because I was going to school in Guangzhou so we didn't really get separated like those kids did, but usually we didn't get to see out parents for most of the day, so either grandmother was home to watch me and my brother, or sometimes we just get left at home alone.

I think most of the kids in that school I went to were all kida of migrant parents... because a Guangzhou kids would just go to public school.

Someone with Taishan Hukou also can't like get any healthcare benefits of Guangzhou.

It's like a internal passport system. Countries withing countries...

Then there was another issue with me essentially being an "illegal child" since my mother violated the 1 child policy, as I was the 2nd to be born, so my parents had to pay a huge fine before I can even get registered in Hukou and legally exist and have identity documents.

Converting to Guangzhou Hukou was practically impossible. Somehow, getting US citizenship was easier... 🤷‍♂️

Maybe one day this stupid Hukou thing goes away, because it is stupid af.

Only a handful of countries manage to produce more stuff per hour of work.

Only a handful of countries manage to produce more money per hour of work.

That's an important distinction IMO.

It seems someone is not watching YouTube documentaries where people visit country side to see people are living worse than poverty conditions and eating rats, bugs and whatever they can find, they literally live without any infrastructure or modern amenities, healthcare etc... While Chinese government is actively censoring such videos, news any and all information about it, so much so that they went and arrested poor villagers sharing videos of their villages.

I'm all for helping people and development, but you're literally spewing bullshit about things you don't know. Especially when the Chinese government is infamous when it's come to faking their data and information.

I'd like to hear your views about how much they helped the Uighurs as well.

They have also put millions into poverty.

But it merits pondering how this undemocratic government could successfully slash its poverty rate when the richest and oldest democracy in the world wouldn’t.

My favorite idea is that the Mainland regime -- then under Deng -- took their economic development ideas and business customs from Japan -- including industrial espionage -- and basically modified those for Chinese needs while addressing the problems which led to Japan's later bubble burst by the late 80s. That local corporations were given first priority, with a lot of incentives, tax breaks, programs to increase productivity and cut away inhibitions, hire young people from the far provinces who are willing to work for less, anything to have the world buy cheap from China. So they treated business like warfare, as essential for national survival and prestige where by 2049 the world must look up to Mainland China, never to be humiliated again.

However, China in its current state has its younger generations in urban areas having to deal with overwork burnout (996工作制 or 996 working hour system for example) and so creating basically its own anti-work culture. That there are godawful displays of wealth by tuhao almost everyday, while most others complain how it's so expensive to live in, say, Shanghai. I could try to go on, but I put it that it's still not a happy place as long as there is class conflict.

Not surprised at all. American has done a fantastic job at propagandizing the populace against China.