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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 79 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

“[Generative AI] constantly steals without consent from absolutely everything, violates privacy, and obtains money from it,” Marc, a 23-year-old AI abstainer based in Spain , told Euronews Next.

“It's a tool of capitalism to maintain worker exploitation or even bring it up to the next level”.

That brings back some of my faith in humanity.

...I need to stop complaining about Gen Z.

[-] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Not to nitpick, but why complain about other generations at all?

There are awesome people everywhere and of all ages.. a few goofbags too. 🤷

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Fair point.

It was a trend, and I am a monkey on a keyboard.

[-] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 55 points 2 weeks ago
[-] 9bananas@feddit.org 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

great sentiment!

..but the youngest of Gen Z is 20+ years old... definitely no longer kids.

let's please not make the same mistake as with millennials?

edit: i got the range wrong; it's 15 years (~2012), not 10 (2007)...

[-] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago

I am old enough that people in their early 20s still seem like kids to me ;p But I hear what you’re saying

[-] jh34@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

The youngest gen z is ~13 and the oldest is ~28 so definitely some kids still there; majority adults, although if the whole 'brain not mature until ~25' metric is used then that's a minority.

[-] 9bananas@feddit.org 2 points 2 weeks ago

damn, it goes on way longer than i thought;

i thought it's about 10 years, but it's actually 15...

[-] judgyweevil@feddit.it 41 points 2 weeks ago

I prefer the term AI luddites

[-] petrol_sniff_king 4 points 2 weeks ago

He says with seething jealousy.

[-] jaredwhite@humansare.social 36 points 2 weeks ago

My teen has already been through the hype cycle. Was super into chatbots…until they were not. My preteen has never been even tempted, thought it was stupid from the get-go. From the mouth of babes…!

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

We don't give kids enough credit.

I remember news bringing up similar stuff when I was young, or like existential worries over TikTok more recently.

But... kids are sharp. They're adaptable. They often sniff out stupid trends faster than adults do, especially artifical ones like AI hype.

[-] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

But then again they did also fall into using stuff like tiktok and oversharing on it with their names and faces and installing the app on their phone. Not just tiktok but meta stuff like Instagram or Twitter.

I think best balance was during the phase where usernames were used on message boards and people were wary of sharing more beyond that on the Internet, and mantras like be careful what you share on the Internet was more common.

Now days, people are sharing lot of information that marketers and companies had to work really hard to try to get. Now companies get names, voices, and faces given to them without effort.

It's nice to see the pushback against AI over privacy concerns but I hope it eventually leads to also beginning to see that general usage of social media that has become more common place to freely share everything has the same issues.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

This is verging onto old internet nostalgia, and while I agree with the sentiment and love the old internet… it was a trash fire.

And not safe.

Someone vividly this out to me recently, and then I looked though archives of old threads. I was a moron on the internet in the 2000s, more than I realized.

I guess what I’m saying is: yeah, the Big Tech grip seems bad. It is bad. But today's kids will probably deal with it better than we expect, and whatever kids get into 20 years from now will be unspeakable, I’m sure.

I’m honestly more worried about boomers, who don’t seem to be adapting to this stuff unless they were already IT folks.

[-] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

One of the reasons stated for disliking AI has been data harvesting and privacy infringement.

Which lot of people are not realizing they are providing on their own and doing a bulk of the invasive AI's job for them from the get go.

I guess look at how you use lemmy. Would you feel comfortable if your username was your name and profile pic your face? Did past you do that on your interactions with the web so people can type in your name and find archives of your contributions as opposed to it being dumb things from a random username? Not that there weren't people who did, but the sentiment of be careful what you share and a more cautious view did appear to be more common compared to now.

So its not so much social media is bad, but the way people choose to use it now days that people don't look deeper into. Kind of like how some people will upload videos of crimes they are doing on social media because of how comfortable they've gotten to treating it like a personal diary.

When I bring up the old internet it's about general approach of what information is provided and given freely by the user as opposed to technical assessment of how secure the old internet was.

[-] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 3 points 2 weeks ago

I think kids are not resistent to addictive design, sadly.

[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 1 points 2 weeks ago

You remind me of the babe

[-] thatonecoder@lemmy.ca 27 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Comparing the Anti-LLM and LIM movement to veganism is definitely something. Either way, age prohibition is not a good idea; rather, educating people about how to responsibly use technology is.

[-] renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.net 32 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Both the AI and meat industries are very harmful to the environment.

EDIT: Since people don’t seem to believe me:

Cows emit an average of 220lbs of methane per year, which is about 28x as potent a greenhouse gas as CO2 (https://www.ucdavis.edu/food/news/making-cattle-more-sustainable).

According to the EPA (https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/greenhouse-gas-emissions-typical-passenger-vehicle), the average car emits about 4.6metric tons of CO2 per year.

(220lbs methane x 28) x 0.00045 t/lb = 2.772 metric tons of CO2.

Basically, 2 cows have more greenhouse effect than the average American car. And that doesn’t even account for the deforestation caused by cattle ranching (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959378021000595)

Look, I hate AI too. I’m not saying one is worse than the other (that’s probably very hard to determine) but don’t kid yourself about the effect of meat on the environment.

[-] woop_woop@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

Sure, but we don't call renewable energy "vegan energy"

[-] django@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 weeks ago
[-] woop_woop@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago
[-] django@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 weeks ago

In fact, it is the opposite, as it makes one dependent on oil states. No one controls the sun and the wind.

[-] woop_woop@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)
[-] django@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 weeks ago

I failed to notice. 😅

That was my nickname in high school.

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

It was done in order to smear people not using AI the same, as the caricature of some vegans. You know, the people equating eating meat with cannibalism and murder. I also wouldn't been surprised if the journalists used terms like "woke anti-AI", or went with the headline "Gen Z cancel culture is hitting AI very hard".

[-] thatonecoder@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 weeks ago

At least one has a purpose, which is nutrition.

[-] nfreak@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

It's entirely intentional, meant to label AI shills as the "normal" people and anti-AI as a fringe group, along with drawing the same negativity that veganism for some reason has among so many people in the US.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 weeks ago

Gen Z are:

  • AI dry
  • AI detached
  • AI free
  • Anti-AI
  • AI incurious
  • AI indifferent
  • AI aloof
  • AI withdrawn
[-] LostWanderer@fedia.io 14 points 2 weeks ago

Abstainer would do a lot better of a job of giving credence to people actively avoiding AI usage due to ethical or environmental reasons; the sad reality of using either Luddite or Vegan to describe these people is due to the active negative messaging that people wanting to push unregulated technological change have charged these words with. Despite the negative connotation that Luddite has been charged with; I still use it to refer to myself as a Luddite (who is against unethical technological advancement), must like those who would also abstain from AI Usage in work or personal life settings.

As it's potential to cause harm is great; there are still cases people killing themselves ChatGPT Killed Again-Four more Dead, AI-Induced Psychosis for example. Healthy technological advancement is necessary for the benefit of all human beings, however, what we are seeing with "AI" isn't following that model. It's good that people are standing against AI, since nothing will change unless people fight against Silicon Valley's agenda.

[-] Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 weeks ago

Good to see the kids still have some hope.

[-] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 weeks ago

"turning against"

[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Millennial here I avoid AI like the plauge

[-] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Since everyone here is talking about the connection between AI refusal and veganism... How's your approach towards eating animals? I mean there's more reasons to avoid AI. But I think when talking about climate change in specific... I try not to eat too much beef and I try not to use too much AI because both have a large CO2 footprint... And I think it's also ethics considerations in both cases which make something undesirable. Do you do similar things or do you think it's fundamentally different?

[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 5 points 2 weeks ago

My approach is to just not fucking eat them. Pretty easy. Cheaper too.

[-] khaleer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 weeks ago

"thinking vegans want ypu to use ai more often"

[-] remon@ani.social 2 points 2 weeks ago

If that term catches on I might start using AI ....

[-] tym@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

remember to sear your LLM for 5 min on each side to really lock in the tokenization..

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