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[-] CoderKat@kbin.social 36 points 1 year ago

Tiktok is the absolute worst at irrational censorship. It's a shame because the site is immensely popular and that means it is full of very interesting content. Yet, this is far from the first unreasonable thing they've been removing. It's well known how Tiktok users came up with alternative words to circumvent words that were likely to get their content removed (e.g., "unalived" instead of "killed").

"Unalived" sounds like something out of 1984.

[-] lowleveldata@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago

Tiktok is the absolute worst at irrational censorship

Tell me about it. They literally block access from Hong Kong.

[-] PelicanPersuader@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

Nah, unalived was being used by gaming YouTubers years before TikTok. YouTube does the same kind of censorship shit.

[-] RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 year ago

Chinese government spyware disappears content it doesn't like. This shocking news and more at 11.

[-] Prunebutt@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The chinese government doesn't have any say in tiktok. Tiktok isn't even available in china. This is an attemt to please repuplican politicians all the way.

Correction: The PRC owns 1% and has one person in the board of directors of bytedance. Still: the fearmongering against the chinese government is just a smokescreen to draw attention away from the NSA.

[-] Silviecat44@vlemmy.net 8 points 1 year ago

Every company in China has to surrender their data to China

[-] Prunebutt@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

ByteDance is corporated in the Cayman Islands

[-] 1993_toyota_camry@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

Bytedance is headquartered in Beijing, and the chinese version of the app, Douyin, is owned by Beijing Microlive Vision Technology Co., Ltd.

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[-] RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Whatever. Let's not pretend that authoritarian China doesn't have its tentacles in the country's business operations to steer everything to its will.

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[-] ThreeHopsAhead@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago

If you get your medical information from TikTok you really have far bigger problems.

[-] Prunebutt@feddit.de 21 points 1 year ago

Bigger problems like the republicans and other far-right parties attacking reproductive rights? Yeah, you're right.

[-] ThreeHopsAhead@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

That is not the topic at discussion.

[-] Prunebutt@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

Yes it is. Why do you think thah TikTok removes that content in the first place? It 's because they are afraid to give paranoid, xenophobic, republicans any "reason" to ban them.

I actuallyethink that you are trying to derail the discussion into "you showld never trust tiktok".

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[-] MagicSnowmanComunity@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Its more of an accessibility concern, people shouldn't be getting medical info fully from TikTok but it's a good way to disseminate basic info

[-] ThreeHopsAhead@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

You should get no information from TikTok. That is all there is to say about it. This is even much more true for medical information.

[-] Tsuki@beehaw.org 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Whenever TikTok sees something that is remotely negative, they will fight at all cost to make sure it doesn't exist on their platform. I have seen TikTok videos having to censor the word "orphanage" because according to TikTok that is a no-no word LOL

[-] Prunebutt@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago

They try to do everything to make users stay on their platform for as long as possible. They were probably afraid that the concept of orphanages might bum people out too much.

[-] Nulono@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago

TikTok users are afraid to say the word "die"; it doesn't surprise me at all that content that could facilitate literal crimes would be disallowed.

[-] SkepticElliptic@beehaw.org 29 points 1 year ago

Yet they don't censor the information on how to steal cars which has caused a widespread issue in the United States with Hyundai/Kias being stolen.

[-] cyd@vlemmy.net 20 points 1 year ago

Given TikTok's precarious situation, it's no surprise they're going out of their way to bend to the whims of US politics. Face it, there are a lot of Republicans ready to justify banning TikTok by pointing to teenagers getting abortion advice from the platform.

[-] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 year ago

There are plenty of other reasons to ban TikTok, namely the massive and unchecked data collection by the Chinese government.

I'd prefer not to install Chinese spyware, thankyouverymuch.

[-] Lowbird@beehaw.org 20 points 1 year ago

Maybe ban targeted advertizing, or that degree of spyware, for all companies, instead of opening that pandora's box of giving the power to ban social media apps altogether to the government.

Especially since the anti-tiktok bills actually include a lot of other stuff, up to and including making VPN's illegal.

[-] Steeve@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

Targeted advertising isn't even on the same playing field of sketchyness as "massive and unchecked data collection by the Chinese government". Even mentioning it in the same sentence seems like an attempt at forum sliding.

And while I agree that the bill is an overreach and absolutely shouldn't go through in it's current form, it's exactly what would be required to achieve your authoritarian stance of banning all social media.

[-] Prunebutt@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

Really? Because you could argue that targeted advertising lead to the January 6th riots.

The chinese government doesn't really benefit from data collection on western citizens. At least not if they don't work for intelligence agencies or want to proclaim that Taiwan is a country while being on mainland China.

[-] mrwiggles@prime8s.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

If you think they're not capable of if not already engaged in PSYOPS, I'd suggest you look deeper into targeted advertising and who is paying for it.

[-] Prunebutt@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

What is your point? Tell me, what the chinese government is supposedly doing with non-chinese user-data that is not worse than what the US surveillance capitalism is currently doing?

Do you seriously think that China spread misinformation about "stolen elections"?

[-] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

Every US bill includes a lot of other stuff. That's Congress's gig.

The US needs a tighter set of restrictions like what the EU has been passing out lately. But, that doesn't change the fact that ByteDance is a Chinese corporation, under the control of the Chinese government, and has no pretenses of data regulations.

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[-] Prunebutt@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago

It is not the chinese government you should be worried about, my friend.

[-] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 year ago

Blah, blah, I hear the same tired argument over and over again about how Google, Facebook, Amazon are just as bad as China. But, it's just not true.

These large corps are definitely something we should paying attention to and they get away with far too much. They should be broken up just like Ma Bell. But, they are still subject to the same data restrictions that the US and the EU have put into law.

TikTok, on the other hand, is owned by a Chinese company, and by extension, the Chinese government. Any data it collects goes straight to the Chinese government. ByteDance, of course, denies this, but the US military, CIA, and other government entities know better, as they have specifically banned the platform for any of their personnel. The data tracking permissions you have to allow on phones is far higher than any other social media platform. It's a more aggressive data collection platform.

TikTok serves a wildly different set of media to the non-Chinese public. It wants to dumb down the non-Chinese population by serving addictive short-form content that hones in on their interests, in a more extreme fashion than any other social media platform, and gets them into a constant loop of video watching for hours and hours.

[-] dabe@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

TikTok really doesn’t perform that much more data collection on their apps than Google does, if at all more. Sure, data going into the Chinese government might be a bit more concerning, but I’d say most if your argument is dangerously close to Chinese fear-mongering.

[-] Prunebutt@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago

The CIA has banned that stuff because their employees are high value targets for chinese intelligence agencies.

You don't have any data collection restrictions in the US (thanks to the patrion act).

Law enforcement has coplete access to the ring doorbell cameras. Google and Facebook have repeatedly worked together with the CIA and FBI. It has been established that the US elections have been tampered with via targeted advertising in combination with misinformation. As a regular US citizen, you are simply not a target for China. The US government however has repeatedly proven that it spies on foreign and their own citieens.

And all that "dumbing down" conspiracy theory: It is far more likely that a profit driven corporation simply optimizes for maximum engagement for ad revenue.

[-] Steeve@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

But when I google tacos I get ads of tacos and that's just as bad as the Chinese government choosing the content I get to see on the internet

[-] Prunebutt@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah. The chinese government clearly wants you to see as many ads for some shitty car or makeup or whatnot. That's definetly the CCP and not some Ad company who pays ByteDance. /s

[-] RosalynKirk@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

It abso-fucking-lutely is.

[-] Prunebutt@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

The chinese government neither wants to sell you shit, nor will harrass you with their cops (unless you live in China).

[-] RosalynKirk@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago
[-] Prunebutt@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

It's not more naive than trusting the US government. That one has a more direct control and interest in implementing a surveillance police-state.

[-] RosalynKirk@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Yes, it absolutely is, because the US government does not require companies by law to hand over any and all information they collect to them.

[-] interolivary@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Forgot about the NSA leaks already? They don't ask for the data.

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[-] Prunebutt@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago
  1. They might not need to, since the NSA has quite an arsenal of tools.
  2. The companies might share all the info volutarily.
  3. They'll definetly share the data if the price is right.

Google Amazon and Facebook have repeatedly worked with law enforcement in the past. You can still believe that the chinese goverment is sooo much worse than the US, but don't call other people naive if you do.

[-] Uriel238@lemmy.fmhy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

If you're concerned about Chinese spyware, You might want to also be concerned about US spyware as well. The US justice complex is not a friend to the US public, nor is the US national security complex.

[-] lemillionsocks@beehaw.org 10 points 1 year ago

What happened to unfiltered free speech on twitter?

[-] Nulono@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago

This is an article about TikTok.

[-] lemillionsocks@beehaw.org 12 points 1 year ago

You are correct! I dont know what the heck was my brain doing this morning. I even clicked through the article and ran through it and everything and thought I saw some twitter nonsense on there in addition to tiktok.

PSA dont post while still drowsy!

[-] danc4498@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

It's "Don't tread on me". Not, "Don't tread on others"

[-] metalgeek@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

"Leave me alone"

**OPPRESSION!!!1

[-] Kowowow@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

Would a federated tiktok be possible, imagine it's got to be easier than a federated youtube.

[-] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago

It's still a ton of video bandwidth and storage. Petabytes worth.

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