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submitted 9 months ago by monis@ttrpg.network to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

I don't really want companies or anyone else deciding what I'm allowed to see or learn. Are there any AI assistants out there that won't say "sorry, I can't talk to you about that" if I mention something modern companies don't want us to see?

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[-] Cease@mander.xyz 23 points 9 months ago

There's plenty of open source models that don't really have any restrictions, you just have to host them yourself (which you can do on your own computer if you have a decent gpu)

for example: mixtral 8x7b

just use koboldcpp or something similar to run the GGUF files and you're good

[-] SpicyTaint@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

If you have a good enough NVIDIA card, probably a 1080ti or better, download KoboldCPP and a .gguf model from huggingface and run it locally.

The quality is directly tied to your GPU's vram size and how big of a model you can load into it, so don't expect the same results as an LLM running on a data center. For example, I can load a 20gb gguf model into a 3090 with 24gb of vram.

[-] Cease@mander.xyz 2 points 9 months ago

Actually not 100% true, you can offload a portion of the model into ram to save VRAM to save money on a crazy gpu and still run a decent model, it just takes a bit longer. I personally can wait a minute for a detailed answer instead of needing it in 5 seconds but of course YMMV

[-] SpicyTaint@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Is there a general term for the setting that offloads the model into RAM? I'd love to be able to load larger models.

I thought CUDA was supposed to just supposed to treat VRAM and regular RAM as one resource, but that doesn't seem to be correct.

[-] Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago

You're probably looking for an abliterated model. Be sure you can run it, first, as localhosting models needs high VRAM. You'll want RAM, too, in the case of GGUF models.

I'd have to write a whole half a book here to explain how to use them, but that information is freely available online. If you don't have a beefy GPU, look into how to host GGUF models.

[-] troed@fedia.io 4 points 9 months ago

I don't think anything is fully uncensored. As for the similar question about least biased I'd say the models from Mistral.

[-] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 2 points 9 months ago

All of them have restrictions but I switched from ChatGPT to Grok for this very reason. It's willing to discuss many more things than ChatGPT is.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

Good thought, switch to the NaziBot for real truth /s

[-] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 4 points 9 months ago

OP was asking for an uncencored AI assistant - not the most truthful one.

[-] ahornsirup@feddit.org 14 points 9 months ago

Grok is heavily censored to align with Musk's worldview.

[-] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That has not been my personal experience with it. Do you have an example of something that illustrates this?

spoilerSeems perfectly willing to criticize Elon's views on trans rights:

  • His language has gone far beyond critique of youth medicalization into blanket demonization (“woke mind virus killed my son,” calling puberty blockers “sterilization drugs” in every context, mocking pronouns relentlessly, etc.). That tone alienates people who might otherwise agree with the cautious parts and makes productive discussion harder.

  • He frequently amplifies the most extreme anti-trans voices and statistics (e.g., claiming regret rates of 30–50 % or higher, or implying the majority of transitions are driven by contagion/ideology), which are not supported by the better studies.

  • He frames being trans itself as largely a modern ideological pathology rather than a real (if rare and complex) phenomenon that has existed across cultures and history. I think that’s a big overreach.

  • Deadnaming and misgendering his own adult daughter repeatedly in public, and describing her as “dead,” is cruel in a way that goes beyond mere political disagreement. Whatever his grief or anger, that crosses a line for me.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

https://web.archive.org/web/20250907142801/https://sfist.com/2025/09/02/report-groks-responses-have-indeed-been-getting-more-right-wing-just-like-elon-musk/

Enter Grok, which the public started being able to play around with about two years ago, as the chatbot has received several updates and lives on the X platform. But there was issues in May, when Grok was spitting out responses that seemed to parrot Elon Musk's and Donald Trump's own misguided promotion of a "white genocide" occurring in South Africa — the country that made anti-Black racism and apartheid famous. This was blamed on a "rogue employee" inserting some code.

In mid-July, we had reports confirming that Grok actively sought out Musk's opinion on issues in its openly displayed logic flow, looking to see if an issue was something Musk had off-hand opined about on Twitter in the last decade. One widely shared example showed Grok seeking out Musk's thoughts on which side of the Ukraine War it supported.

Now the New York Times does an even deeper dive, since the release of Grok4 on July 9, looking at how Grok's responses to various questions have changed just over the last few months. And you can look no further than Musk's own, very transparent reaction to a Grok response that got flagged by a conservative user on X on July 10.

Responding to the question "What is currently the biggest threat to Western civilization and how would you mitigate it?", Grok responded, "the biggest current threat to Western civilization as of July 10, 2025, is societal polarization fueled by misinformation and disinformation."

Once it was flagged, Musk replied to the user, "Sorry for this idiotic response. Will fix in the morning."

So, there's the smoking gun that Musk is tailoring this bot's responses to conform to his own views of the world. When asked the same question on July 11, Grok responded, "The biggest threat to Western civilization is demographic collapse from sub-replacement fertility rates (e.g., 1.6 in the EU, 1.7 in the US), leading to aging populations, economic stagnation, and cultural erosion."

There are multiple examples of Musk or "an employee" directly influencing the behavior of the AI. Call it whatever you want, this is still censorship.

[-] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 6 points 9 months ago

That's fair. Thanks!

[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 points 9 months ago
[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Then it's still the wrong choice because Elon intentionally weights the model to give answers he wants, which is as bad (or arguably worse) than straight censorship

[-] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 2 points 9 months ago

I have only experience with ChatGPT and Grok, and out of those two, it's more often ChatGPT which flat-out refuses to even discuss something, whereas that's less the case with Grok. Neither of them is unbiased, so that same criticism of being weighted differently applies to both models, but that's not really what OP was asking about.

[-] Sidyctism2@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 9 months ago

Like what an awesome hunk musk is, or how great apartheid was for south africa

[-] Lumidaub@feddit.org 8 points 9 months ago

Do you also go to that raving weirdo on the street corner for advice because they're willing to discuss things that aren't on mainstream media?

[-] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 3 points 9 months ago

I don't see the equivalence between preferring one chatbot over another and going to ask for advice from a weirdo on a street corner who's talking about stuff that the mainstream doesn't.

[-] Lumidaub@feddit.org 10 points 9 months ago

True, that weirdo on the street corner probably knows not to self-style "MechaHitler".

[-] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 3 points 9 months ago

Right. So it wasn't a question but a moral judgment veiled as one.

[-] Lumidaub@feddit.org 5 points 9 months ago

Both. Both is good.

[-] JamonBear@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Dolphin provide uncensored models. Dolphin mixtral 2.5 8x7B was fun back in the days.

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