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[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 127 points 1 month ago

Time to repeat my topical story.

I worked for a startup that prided itself on being "data driven". They'd talk about how other startups were doing stupid things because they followed their feelings instead of data.

One day in one of those all hands meetings, the CEO was taking questions. Someone said, "Studies are showing that four day work weeks are more effective on like every metric. Can we look into that?"

The CEO said "No, we're not doing that ". Didn't read the linked studies. Didn't entertain it at all. His mind was made up, and the data was irrelevant.

Because he doesn't really care about data. He cares about feeling smart and irreverent. He cares about being seen as a cool disruptive startup guy who's going to grind his way to success.

The dishonesty makes me want to puke.

But you know what also makes me sick? All the sycophantic boot lickers that would gather round and tell him his every idea was great. The people who would work unpaid long hours to "get shit done". Bunch of fucking wormtongues who would sell out their coworkers for crumbs.

Maybe he was a real person once who really did care about data. But by the time I met him, he was an empty suit

[-] quetzaldilla@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago

Lol, did we work at the same place?

"Empty suits" it's the realest statement.

I resigned my position because I couldn't take it anymore. I told leadership that I refuse to use my skills and talents for those who I do not respect, and they responded by saying that there was a lot of money on the line.

They can fucking keep it. Fucking ghouls.

[-] Hasherm0n@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

You just reminded me of a similar incident at a company I worked at. Larger than a startup, but still not huge. Same situation where it was a question at an all hands, the response from the CTO was simply that he had not seen that data and immediately moved on.

Funny thing was, the guy that asked the question wasn't even adding about a 32 hour work week, he just wanted to option to do 4 10s over 5 8s but they moved on from his question so fast they never gave him a chance to clarify.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 47 points 1 month ago

They know this. A schismed individual is a compliant employee.

[-] ceenote@lemmy.world 43 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I've been studying managers for much longer, and I've reached a very clear conclusion: they don't care.

[-] elderorb@feddit.nl 41 points 1 month ago

Does anyone have a link to the actual study? The article doesn't seem to have it.

[-] NycterVyvver@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago

I'm having a tough time finding it. I found this citation from an article that appeared to reference the same four year study.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0248008

[-] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago

And to be clear, that study does not have those conclusions:

Participants slept 27 minutes longer (95% CI 9–51), got up 38 minutes later (95% CI 25–50), and did 50 fewer minutes (95% CI -69–-29) of light physical activity during COVID-19 restrictions. Additionally, participants engaged in more cycling but less swimming, team sports and boating or sailing. Participants consumed a lower percentage of energy from protein (-0.8, 95% CI -1.5–-0.1) and a greater percentage of energy from alcohol (0.9, 95% CI 0.2–1.7). There were no changes in weight or wellbeing. Overall, the effects of COVID-19 restrictions on lifestyle were small; however, their impact on health and wellbeing may accumulate over time.

[-] FunctionallyLiterate@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 month ago

What? You don't automatically trust "The Editorial Team's" assertion at the bottom that "This article is based on verified sources and supported by editorial technologies" is valid? I mean they linked to a few other articles - the fact they're only ones on their own site shouldn't matter...

🙄 "Trust me, bro!"

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[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 40 points 1 month ago

Sleep. Precious beautiful sleep. I can roll out of bed, rip a huge wet fart, log into Teams, pretend to care for 5 minutes, go right back to sleep (and still be able to smell that fart, thankfully), take a long nap, get up to take a big smooth dump, then put in the same 3 hours of actual work I'd do at the office, then play Sokoban all afternoon. All the while reducing resource usage.

This is the UBI/leisure society I was promised as a kid.

If you spend most of your day getting to and from work, then pretending to be busy at the office, you don't have time to think or be a threat to the billionaires by starting your own competing company/product.

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[-] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 month ago

I find it really weird that companies would want to pay the enormous cost of maintaining huge buildings full of people, that don't actually need to be there, in person. That just seems like a huge waste of money.

[-] ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Partly because people that control large companies that lease large office buildings have a lot of money to lose if office space were devalued as much as it should be.

Large commercial office spaces are one of the more historically stable investments that banks have money tied up in. The WFH shift of covid was a massive threat to those portfolios and freaked people out

[-] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

This is the answer. And the C levels renting from these spaces are absolutely invested in the companies that lease the space.

I've seen it even more incestuous as well. CEO buys building for kids and lets other C levels get in on it. The company rents a space. Everyone at C level agrees it's the best space because they can get a sweetheart deal on rent for the company. Company pays for space, money flows back to C Suite and CEO doesn't have to pay for kids' lifestyles anymore.

There's a very nice office building like that down from me, except it's CEOs cousin or nephew or something. It came out when they started pushing for RTO as soon as they could.

Must be nice getting C level salary, a little extra in your bonus for getting a sweetheart rental deal, and passive income from being a partial owner of the building your company rents from.

[-] FunctionallyLiterate@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 month ago

Control freaks are afraid of not getting the full attention of their employees - especially the "overemployed" crowd holding down multiple jobs simultaneously while working from home.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 8 points 1 month ago

The money isn't the whole point. It's also about control and emotions. Management wants to feel a way and they'll pay for it. And/or make you pay for it

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[-] herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 month ago

Of course. Saving an hour of meaningless commute every day is a huge positive change.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

God I'd love it if my commute were only an hour.

It's 90-minutes each way if traffic cooperates. I put about 30k miles on my car in a given year.

My back was injured so they let me work from home yesterday, and other than the pain it was magical. I also got SOOO much done.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

This is the wild thing, most people work better at home but no no, must be in office and have performance reviews...

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[-] hark@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago

Advancing tech was sold as a way to make all our lives better. Here is an instance of tech making our lives better, but instead companies dismiss it because the real purpose of tech for the capital class is control.

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[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

You mean we had a worldwide event that proved to us that an incredible technology that allows us to work remotely could actually be used to work remotely, then our overlords chose to ignore that and now studies are proving what we already knew was true, is true?

Neat.

[-] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 19 points 1 month ago

It is 0850. I start at 0900. I am still in bed.

Working from home is great.

[-] marine_mustang@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 month ago

Could’ve just asked.

[-] moopet@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 month ago

I love the way any article which says remote work is good still has to use the word, "surprisingly" as often as possible. Nobody is surprised.

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[-] IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

It largely depends on if you can afford to have a room dedicated as your home office.

Working/relaxing cannot happen in the same space. Our brains are not wired to do such a dramatic difference in mental activity in the same location. That's also why bedrooms should be used for sleeping and fucking ONLY. Once you start reading/scrolling in bed, your brain makes that connection, "Oh, I'm in bed, I should doomscroll for the next 3 hours" instead of "Oh, I'm in bed. I should sleep."

[-] gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

As someone who currently sleeps, works, and relaxes in the same room these absolutes you're throwing out come off as hilarious. I've literally always lived in a room with both my bed and my computer, always worked and gamed from my computer, always slept within a couple of meters of my desk chair and computer.

You absolutely can work, relax, and sleep in the same space.

Does that mean I prefer that? Could I gain some meaningful benefits from having more spaces to dedicate to certain tasks? Absolutely. And the moment we tax the ultra-wealthy out of existence and therefore make housing affordable again, I'll make those rooms.

But working from home is not reliant on a square ft/m metric that the home must pass, nor how those spaces are organized or themed. I think saying it does only hurts my ability to stay at home, which is better for the environment, the economy, my productivity, and most importantly my life and mental health.

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[-] frezik 15 points 1 month ago

Did the web site swap in a completely unrelated story about how swimming is good exercise for people over 55?

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[-] DegenerationIP@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Aaaaand See how people will deny scientific research for the sake of Control.

I'm fed Up on how much a workplace wants to Control anyones Life. And all the rights that have ever been fought for under a broad Attack every single day. And it kinda feels like we're losing the battle.

Unionize!

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[-] don@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 month ago
[-] FunctionallyLiterate@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 month ago

Like they GAF. They've got the money & politicians in their pockets, so inconvenient truths are easily trodden over.

[-] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 month ago

Working from home also proved that the "middle-manager" was at best, a part-time job, maybe not necessary at all.

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[-] Jhex@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Which is why the ruling class has decided we can't have it...

[-] hperrin@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 month ago

This has been correct for all of human history. I’m not sure why anyone would have assumed the invention of the cubicle would have changed this.

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[-] MrFinnbean@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Every time this comes up i tell my personal and data driven experience as a middle manager in a company, and every time people trash me, but i keep saying it.

IT FUCKING DEPENDS!

From purely data point of view (note: this is from my place of work) workers whose work is purely executing more or less the same duties every day had their productivity have a nose dive when working long stretches from home. Also their works quality got worse. Its easy to reinforce bad habits whitout even noticing it, if the feedback comes from email and and not straight from the supervisor.

BUT with jobs like coders or artists where the job is more open ended instead of monotous labor there was no ill effects.

Then on the other side communication has gotten much slower with the people working from outside office. Where i used to just walk to the other room and ask something from my collegue i now need to message them in our internal and hope they notice it. Getting answers for questions have turned from 5 minute thing to 10-40 minute things.

Also from the point of more inventive things on my work we have lost a lot of changes to brainstorm ideas. No more throwing ideas around during lunch or coffee breaks

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 36 points 1 month ago

Where i used to just walk to the other room and ask something from my collegue i now need to message them in our internal and hope they notice it. Getting answers for questions have turned from 5 minute thing to 10-40 minute things.

Those rude shoulder-tap interruptions may have only taken you 5 minutes, but they ruined half an hour of productivity to the person you were interrupting. This is the whole reason people can be more productive at home without annoying bosses blathering at them.

[-] sunbytes@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

Yeah every programmer I know loves not being exposed to the manager who just "has a question" or just want to "check in".

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[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 month ago

The immediate interruption is good for management, but bad for the company overall.

That's why we still have Jira/email.

Critical importance: slack/in person

Can wait but important: high importance email, P1 Jira

Not important: Low impotance email, P2 Jira

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[-] tankplanker@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

I have WfH for about twenty five years now and I will say the same thing I always say when this type of comment pops up, if people do not want to talk to you for some reason they will not respond as its a lot easier to hide on email/IM than an office situation. If you finding that people are hiding from you, then that's as much a you problem as anything else for not directly addressing it.

I actually find it considerably easier to get hold of someone via IM than any other method short of direct dialing them as I can reach them in meetings or away from their desk or even in another country entirely, its only if they are intentionally ignoring you it does not work. If the person is presenting in a meeting or otherwise legitimately incommunicado then they aren't going to respond F2F or IM anyway.

Not measuring output volume or quality consistently is a widespread problem for businesses, regardless of location of the employee. Consistent and accurate measurement is the only way to be sure you are getting the results you are expecting, for coding that means code reviews not commit counts, 360 feedback, and so on. If you are feeding back, and someones ignoring that, guess what, its also a you problem for not building in consequences and follow ups. It also applies just as much in an office situation as it does remote.

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[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

It’s the shareholders who own our government that make money off commercial real estate that want everyone back at work. Shareholders don’t give a fuck about your wellbeing. They’re literally looting our government, destroying any and all global safety nets and installing facism worldwide quite publicly.

[-] Angelevo@feddit.nl 10 points 1 month ago

All about balance. Working from home is such an improvement from past times. Face to face contact with your peers should not be underestimated though - very valuable.

[-] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 8 points 1 month ago

It's bad enough having to hear my colleagues in teams meetings, I don't see why I have to smell them too.

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[-] laranis@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 month ago

Evidence shows performance holds or climbs when people choose flexible setups with solid support from managers and peers.

That's the part these chuckle-head RTO folks willfully ignore. In a virtual environment you have to lead differently, and since they're never the ones who are wrong it must be everyone else who is broken.

With the right leadership and support mechanisms virtual work absolutely can raise all boats. But that means you have to be willing to change. And open-mindedness is not typically an attribute selected for in corporate senior leaders.

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[-] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago

AI article and website

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