Reading through Platner’s many hundreds of anonymous comments, it’s hard to paint him as a secret white supremacist or far-right extremist of any kind. In fact, his posts more or less align with the persona he has presented to voters in the two months since he launched his campaign: a rough-around-the-edges military veteran and oyster farmer with a penchant for crude language and a passion for firearms and sustainable living who holds a variety of standard progressive views alongside some heterodox ones.
I think for many people getting a tattoo is a huge deal and we would never allow our skin to be marked without out a lot of forethought.
But I think there is a good chunk of the population that doesn’t think about it and don’t see it as a big deal. I think a lot of these people are concentrated in the military, the lack of forethought is increased when you are in a job that may well see you killed soon.
I’d like to see him reaching out to new and old military members to educate them on the meaning he apparently didn’t know about and pushing them to remove it.
Someone with some art skills should come up with a suitably cool modification tattoo that neutralises the nazi aspect and but still lets these guys support and identify with battle mates.
It’s not their fault the nazis happens co opt heaps of cool symbols and I don’t blame some 22 year old jar head for not knowing history (they should but the US education system has a lot to answer for).
If you give people an easy way out that lets them save face you’ll only be left with the actual racists.
I mean my contention isn't that he didn't know what it was, it's that you gotta be kidding me that he didn't learn what it was in the 20 years since. I don't give a shit about his reddit history; if anything its just kinda affable to me. Hell, I'd be willing to even take the tattoo at "I learned what it was at a really dark time in my life, and I just haven't confronted the tattoo itself, even if I conquered the ideologies that led to both its creation and its application to my body." Like obviously military service is its own alt-right pipeline. But like, bro, you got the super non-pirate skull and crossbones across your tit, bro, what are you doing?
Like I'm not even saying don't vote for him, deadass I'd still take his dumb ass over some Zionist shill 8 days a week. But, can nobody just call a spade a spade?
To be fair, just look at all the people who have Chinese words written on them that say something that they weren't trying to say. How many of those people have had those tattoos for many years without ever learning that they were incorrect or fixing them?
I wouldn't go this route personally, but I know enough about tattoos to say with a high degree of confidence that many people just pick something out of the books on the day of the walk-in because they think it looks cool. I could totally believe this guy and his marine buddies said "that's a cool skull, let's get that".
It's like, how many people have Punisher stickers or t-shirts but have never read a comic book in their lives? Probably most of them...
If I had Chinese symbols saying I was a nazi tattooed on me, I'd be at the nearest open parlor to get it covered up the same day I learned about it.
If he really did somehow just learn about it during the campaign, it should be gone by now.
Edit: which apparently it is, so good on him for that.
Yeah, that is generally referred to as "flash". The catalogue of stencils that an artist has on hand for walk ins and the like. And considering this was apparently some hole in the wall in Croatia (unclear if it was when he was in the military or at Blackwater), there is a good chance that entire catalogue was full of nazi shit and this had the least amount of swastikas.
But you, and many others, are fixated on him getting it. Which... it raises questions on his judgment, but people do stupid shit all the time. The issue is more the having kept it for 20 years while being terminally online (almost impossible to have not seen the Mitchell and Webb "are we the baddies" meme that is literally about totenkapfs) and being a self proclaimed military history buff. And then 5 years ago having talked about "punisher skulls" in association with, gasp, SS totenkapfs.
No true Scotsman faults the guy for making a mistake 20 years ago. We very much fault him for not having rectified it at all in the two decades since.
Even if you know history, this is a fairly obscure symbol. I would bet there's a lot of people who know a lot about WWII and still wouldn't recognize it. For one, I don't think I would. I may have an "I've seen this symbol before..." moment, but I don't think I'd place it correctly on the spot.
Well, for the terminally online, the knee has already jerked. And in their defense, once bit, twice shy.
That being said, the number of terminally online Mainers for whom the oppo was a deal breaker probably can fit in a swimming pool.
And there are two things happening at once in this story. One is, the primary thread of the oppo; Platner did post those things, Platner did have a tattoo.
The second thing is the oppo release, its source, Mills, Schumer, and the act of Mainers being told who to like and whom to vote for. And at least in last weeks polling this seemed to be the case. So who does the oppo work on? Early polling seems to be showing that the timing of Mills announcement and the research being release/ coming from some of the least popular standing groups (specifically, corporate Democrats).
So it looks like the oppo was supposed to work on the more progressive types (and clearly, has been, I mean, look around), and that while thats been effective, Mainers dont care/ dont like being told who to like. This oppo dump may actually end up working against those who sourced it (corporate Dems). We need the polling pudding to thicken up a bit, but should know more when polling comes out this week (weds/ thurs/ fri).
People latching onto this like it's some huge dealbreaker or a story about someone traitorous to progressive politics, you are probably the same people worked up about Hasan's dog. You guys NEED to take up reading actual novels with stories. Divert your emotional investment to actual stories you are allowed to get caught up in. It feels good, I recommend it highly.
You are all as bad as the right. I fucking swear, if this story bothers you, you are not well and you need to either touch grass or touch books. Just let this bullshit go. We have such bigger problems.
The right is going to elect actual nazis with nazi histories and nazi ideology to go with whatever symbols they have hidden away, and they're going to ignore every candidate on their side who has pictures surfacing of them wearing drag or having progressive takes in the past. They don't care. They want to win. Do you want to win?
I am quite convinced the old meme that the left hates victory and wants to lose is real. It's the exact same phenomenon as how conservative MAGAts want "daddy to choke them" but the left wants to be choked by institutions and politics broadly. I've never seen a political movement so intent on losing.
I hope you all get the perfect candidate so you can talk about how great he is while you're getting loading into train cars.
People latching onto this like it’s some huge dealbreaker or a story about someone traitorous to progressive politics, you are probably the same people worked up about Hasan’s dog.
What? These two things are not at all the same.
Platner seeks a position of power and the mere existence of a nazi tattoo shows questionable judgement at best and nazi sympathies at worst.
Its a pretty tame position to take in not wanting a politician with ANY connection to nazis
Just as a context for people like myself that want to get their own look onto the tattoo situation. I cant find any less blurry pictures, but the shape matches quite well. He already got it covered up now, so no way to check.
This is an Nazi SS Totenkopf badge:

This is the tattoo:


The resemblance could be coincidence, maybe the artist who drew the flash knew what it was, but if you walk into a tattoo shop and want a skull and cross bones you could pick this off the wall.
I didn't know about the totenkopf until this news broke. If I'd seen that before I'd have thought it was just another death's head or pirate's Jolly Roger.
*A socialist work place and hating cops might align with a pirate's ideals.
I also didn't know about the Nazi connection, it looks like something a biker would have, which should have been a red flag to the imagery I guess, but it looks like a kind of standard skull to me otherwise.
I have a raised eyebrow on Platner. He seems genuine. A couple of odd details admittedly. But unless he's some kind of psyop candidate, he seems fine enough. I do wish his cover up for a Nazi symbol was much further away from the accusation than Celtic symbols.
Yeah that's a totenkopf. Fuckin nazi
The Platner thing is interesting, I wanted him to succeed, I liked what he was saying but the totenkopf is too far.
His messaging was generally good. Mostly appeals to emotion but what little policy he had generally sounded like a step in the right direction.
But he also has no political background whatsoever and little to no activism/charitable footprint. All he ever was was "what he was saying" and... Fetterman got elected on a progressive platform and trump STILL talks about draining the swamp and stopping the Washington elites.
Nobody is saying we should only elect establishment politicians. But actually having a track record goes a long way whether that is in lower office or just a long, documented, history of activism.
Also, Smith-Rodriguez pulled out late last week (?) and is also a military veteran (no Blackwater tour though...) who had a VERY demsoc platform with actual plans and details. But she is a she and was driven out and, last I saw, endorsed Mills (?) because she was a victim of sexual assault during her time in the military and can't support someone like platner (even before totenkampf-gate...).
Because... it fucking sucks when the person you Believed in sucks. But that is why you pay attention and learn and adjust.
I mean... why? It could've been a swastika and it would mean nothing if he wasn't a Nazi, which we have no reason to believe it is given his Reddit history. Hell, morally there was no obligation for him to cover the tattoo after knowing what it was, because symbols don't have moral value.
Everybody is talking about Platner and that is fine, but i wanted to recognize the Jacobin for publishing this.
Here is a socialist magazine defending a man with a sketchy tattoo on the basis of the bulk of his posts. Jacobin (and Marcetic, the author) are cutting against cancel culture accusations and upholding the truth-finding principle of good journalism. Bravo.
This whole Graham thing comes down to a single issue for me. Did he have a nazi tattoo? If yes, and it does appear to be a yes, then id never support him. No nazis or nazi sympathizers. Thats a hard line for me.
Intent matters. Did he knowingly choose a Nazi tattoo? All of the evidence suggests he did not, and that as soon as he found out it was associated with Nazis he immediately took action to get rid of it.
To add, the election Platner is running in has their primaries in June 2026, general in November 2026.
Platner has A LOT of work to do between now and then to prove what kind of person he is and what ideas he has, but he also has A LOT of time to do it.
I understand anyone's hesitation in supporting him. It's a reasonable view. Platner may never recover from this. Maybe he can. Platner is going to need to work hard to overcome this. Other candidates may be better.
Even if, as he claims, he didnt know it was a nazi symbol then that means hes a moron. Being simply unaware is excusable, not everyone can know everything, but getting it as a tattoo without knowing?! That means he either was/is a nazi or is/was a massive moron. Either option disqualifies him in my eyes.
Now I dont live in Maine so it doesnt matter politically. But if I did I wouldnt be voting for him
Marines getting dumb ass tattoos while drunk in a foreign country is a story as old as time. He definitely used to be a moron, getting a tattoo under those circumstances was obviously a terrible decision.
I will say this.
A LOT of people in the military just get their "unit tattoo" or whatever without any thought. In large part because the people who tend to be the hardest on that are the psychopaths who get off on murder and might think it is a funny joke to rape you in your sleep (as a joke). Captain Roman Salute isn't wrong about that: There are a LOT of black guys and hispanic dudes who end up with SS skulls and lightning bolts all over their body by the time they get out.
And most of the people who have those, upon being told "... is that a god damned SS skull?" IMMEDIATELY have a panic attack and go get it removed or covered up.
Which is where Skorzeny Of The Blackwater is, at best, a complete and total moron. In the 15 years after getting it, not a single person who saw it ever said "da fuq?". And he, as a self proclaimed military history buff, never drew any connections with some of "the most elite troops of World War 2". And then, when he explained why people have "punisher skulls" in a thread about SS soldiers with totenkopfs, he STILL never drew the connection to the thing that is on his body staring at him every time he showers and kept it for the next 5 years.
Pretty much all inclusive ors:
- He is a complete and utter moron and is not fit for office
- He is a neonazi who just mostly stuck to dog whistles rather than replying to Always Sunny meme posts with "sieg heil! THE FOURTH REICH SHALL LIVE!!!"
- Every sexual partner and person he hung out with at the beach or pool or while he was stripped to his underpants in a bar has no issue with nazi imagery: Which speaks poorly of him
- He thinks The American People are dumb enough to believe his blatant lies... okay, that might actually be a statement in favor of his judgement but... yeah
But hey. The Left needed their own "it is not a nazi salute. Elon was just giving a roman salute" moment. And you can never have too many Fettermans running cover for the centrists who don't actually want to support a progressive policy.
What the fuck? Do you know every hate symbol and slur in the world? Why would you expect your average person to casually know this sort of thing? Not knowing obscure Nazi symbols doesn't make one a "moron;" I for one have much better things to do than learning how fascism group#3011 decided to tell everyone they hate Jews.
Nah he's not stupid.
He covered it up with what again? Anything else that can be linked to white supremacy, maybe?
Hrm
Not only had one for 20 years. Confirmed he understood that it was an SS tattoo 5 years ago (in the reddit posts that jacobin dot com clearly read) and continued to have it and lie about up until AFTER he came out of nowhere a few months back to run for Senate.
But apparently "Woman who laughs" is unacceptable. But "blackwater merc with a nazi tattoo" is the great hope of all ~~White~~ Leftists. Who would have thought that trump and musk going mask off meant the Left would too.
Okay, anyone who isn't a white cishet male would. But we try to not think about it.
Ah well. We're massively fucked but at least I can get a chuckle out of all the idiots insisting he is anti-establishment as so many of the establishment Democrats are glazing the fuck out of this man. Basically the same "He's gonna fight the deep state" that we keep hearing about trump.
Not only had one for 20 years. Confirmed he understood that it was an SS tattoo 5 years ago
Still lying I see.
Check out the exchange where I ask for details of the "confirmation," it's fucking wild lol
"He OBVIOUSLY knew, for fuck's sake he was commenting under this picture showing the exact same symbol on the SS uniforms!" I'm only very slightly exaggerating. Try to find the symbol, it actually is there...
He also uses the seldom seen turbo fallacy "little did you know that by responding to my argument you have SAID EXACTLY WHAT I SAID YOU'D SAY AND SO I WIN!" It's so fuckin' bizarre... in fairness I knew these dudes would be here as soon as I saw the post topic and knew we'd be talking about some bullshit, but honestly I am surprised by the nature and ferocity of it.
I looked at this picture the first time around and gave up trying to find it. Still can't. The far left has something blurry on his collar that looks like it could have the right profile, but that's only because this whole story has refreshed me about a Nazi symbol I think I've possibly only seen in that one "are we the baddies" skit. Feels like it would probably be in some Indiana Jones movies too, but if it was it wasn't anything that left an impression.
I have a hard time taking anyone who's really going hard on this seriously. The guy obviously wasn't being careful with his words from that Reddit account and nothing in there even suggests he's some secret Nazi, and if he's not a secret Nazi this is just a dumb fuck up from some Marines on leave. It's not a good thing, but not a campaign ender warranting a posting crusade. Feels like anyone trying to make this a big deal must be after him for some other reason.
So I've said this before, and this is actually a perfect example: The tell for these people is how lazy the argument is.
This dude doesn't actually believe that this Reddit discussion about Punisher skulls under this particular picture is proof that Platner knew he had a Nazi tattoo. He doesn't even seem to be trying very hard to make you believe it. He's just... kind of "marking time," it seems like. Making words go together in the vague shape of an argument, with a lot of confident aggressive energy and leading to the conclusion that puts "Platner" and "Nazi" vaguely into the same landscape, and then moving on.
I have talked with people before who I disagree with (obviously) and even on Lemmy some people who I really strongly disagree with. Usually it's fine, we just talk. But the particular bizarro-world conversational flow of something like this exchange is very unique to a particular type of Lemmy interaction, and it always comes in conjunction with some very specific political messaging.
Absolutely. It's telling that in this new oppo campaign they're pointing to the same Reddit comments to say he's both a communist and a secret Nazi. Those things aren't remotely compatible and it kind of reveals the goal isn't to present a real critique of his past and they just want to use some combination of throwing everything against the wall and hoping one of the options strikes a chord with each individual and trying to get people to think that if there's a lot of accusations, something must be real. You don't have to "summarize" things that didn't happen if you've got a real argument. But having a real debate wasn't ever the purpose.
Confirmed he understood that it was an SS tattoo 5 years ago (in the reddit posts that jacobin dot com clearly read)
Which post?
Reproducing from a previous comment
In the thread in question
- Person A: The totenkopf on the dude first on the left is a good clue.
- Person B: has literal human skulls on uniform (...)
- Person C: Many soldiers still use the skull as an emblem (see the Punisher skull for the SEALs) or regiment emblems all around the world. It's a way of making others fear them and all. (...)
- Person D: (...) Punisher is a kind of unofficial emblem and it's more something some individuals do. I've seen it more on civvy and moto stuff than on actual servicemen.
And, reproduced without edits, Lil Skorzeny himself
When I was in Ramadi in ‘06 as a Marine grunt, the SEAL platoon we worked closely with for the deployment all had the Punisher skull spray painted on their armor carriers.
There’s no question it’s far more prevalent on all the dumbass Grunt Style and Nine Line shirts these days, but the teams definitely adopted it for a while.
Confirming he understands that the punisher skull usage is in the same vein as the totenkopf. And considering his tattoo is much closer to the latter and he outright mocks the former?
So... try again. Maybe argue that him knowing how stupid it looks is an indicator that he always hated the nazi tattoo he had for 20 years and is thus a hero. Or just scream "fake news" until you go blue in the face.
So, to save us all some time: Here is where the bad actors insist that he was just posting to the internet and not actually reading what thread he was in or what the people he was responding to were saying and we really can't judge him based on that.
What am I looking at here? Which user is Platner and when did he say it was a Nazi tattoo?
He didn't get a Nazi tattoo. He got a skull and crossbones tattoo. Does it look a bit like the Nazi version? Sure. But the Nazis just took a form for it that had been used for centuries.
It wasn't a damn swastika. It was a military tattoo of the kind no way specific to Nazis. And you're surprised a damn marine gets a tattoo that evokes centuries of military tradition?
Would you refuse to vote for someone that was a vegetarian? Because vegetarianism is a "Nazi diet" in the same way this is a "Nazi tattoo." Hitler was vegetarian at the end of his life.
In fairness, it is very precisely and exactly the Nazi rendering of the death's head from the SS uniforms. I don't think it's a "Nazi tattoo" any more than some Hindu temples with backwards swastikas on them are now retroactively covered in "Nazi symbols." I completely believe his explanation, among other reasons because some of his private communication has been exposed and literally 0% of it is Nazi and a lot of it is violently anti-Nazi. But their argument that it's a Nazi symbol is technically accurate, I think.
It is close to the form used by the Nazis, but that exact form was used by many people other than the Nazis. The Nazis were not the only ones to use this variant of a death's head. That's why it's not a Nazi symbol or a Nazi tattoo. To be so, it would have to be a symbol almost exclusively used by the Nazis, or of a form associated always universally with the Nazis. A swastika would be a Nazi symbol, as everyone knows that it's primarily a Nazi symbol, even though the swastika has roots preceding the Nazis. But the death's head? Before this, if you asked the average person what the symbol meant, very few people say it's an SS symbol. Some history buffs might. But in the eyes of the people, very few would call it a Nazi symbol.
I mean, yeah, I agree with pretty much all of that. And it's obviously a little bit of a success for the bullshit brigade that we're even talking about this question instead of the question "Is Graham Platner a Nazi?" to which the answer is resoundingly no.
I am honestly pretty surprised by how vigorously they are active in this comments thread. I kind of knew they felt strongly about it... it's also notable to me how the people swearing that it's a Nazi symbol and he's a Nazi for wearing it, are not arguing with the people swearing that it's not a Nazi symbol and it's all a Democratic plot to paint him as a Nazi but it's all lies. They're arguing, but not with each other.
that seems unlikely, considering i'd never heard of the man before this
Why are people so fucking stupid? Idiots who probably didn't even know what a totenkopf was a week ago are now like "OMG secret Nazi 😱."
Are you saying he didn't serve in the military?
Or are you saying he did apologize for spreading capitalism with the sword of US imperialism?
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