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Somehow I doubt this will affect Ticketmaster, the biggest scalper of all
er, by default any profit is taxable for them while as a lemming you get a tax free $600 profit before it impacts you
but fuck ticketmaster anyway
I'm pretty sure they pay effectively zero tax because they found some interesting ways to make their profit appear 0 on paper.
I own a business and can agree with this statement.
But fuck fixing taxes to make billionaires and churches pay taxes.. eat the people as they say.
If you resell tickets for 600$ in profit, you’re not “the people”, you’re a scalper and I have no sympathy for you. This is a good rule.
That's just capitalists capitalizing. The IRS just wants a cut, not to stop it.
IRS isn't in the business of stopping transactions (unless it's money laundering) anyway
Agreed. Obviously, the tax code should be better enforced against wealthy people, but you can support one action without it meaning you don't support another.
And as long as they ACTUALLY do both, then it doesn't matter.
But they don't.
So it does.
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On the other hand, if it's worth your time to scalp tickets then you aren't part of the upper class.
Edit: but I do agree, fuck scalpers
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Fuck scalpers
The IRS doesn't care if you do crime or are exploitative or are morally bad
They just want their cut
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The IRS will report a crime if they suspect one, but they don’t make the laws. You’re barking off the wrong tree if you think they should be the moral authority.
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You're saying that if they suspect someone of profiting off of let's say, human trafficking, they'd just ask for the taxes and not report the violation?
No, its still a crime to do a crime, but if you profit from your crime and dont report it, its now a double crime! All sarcasm asside, this is what the feds used to nab Al Capone. It also makes it easier for the feds to seize things that may or should have been owed. Remember, even the Joker pays his taxes.
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let's make the threshold $60 instead of $600
Do you even know what the IRS is doing here? If an individual makes more than 600 in profit on anything they have to report it and pay taxes. If you lower that to 60 that would just be incredibly annoying for the majority of people to deal with on a daily basis
I have to report a $1 profit if that's what I got from selling market shares. $60 is way too generous.
$6
anything more than the gas to deliver a ticket is a scam
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people who resold tickets bad, ticketmaster who fixes prices good! win-win situation ?
Fuck scalpers, but I refuse to look at the $600 tax rule as anything other than a way for the government to squeeze money from and spy more on the common people.
Edit: to clarify I'm not rooting for the scalpers, I just don't want this governmental overreach to be put in a positive light just because its also affecting people we rightfully hate.
For those that don't know. The $600 tax rule is a requirement that Zelle, Venmo, etc must report transactions over $600 to the government so they can be taxed. Get a $600 graduation gift from grandma? Taxed. Get $1000 from your roommates to pay rent? You now have to document and show that so its not taxed. Sell a bike (that you ALREADY paid sales tax on using money you ALREADY paid income tax on) for $800, would you look at that its going on the tax form.
Why? Isn't the person selling the tickets for a $600 profit there one squeezing money from the common people?
If corporations paid the way they should the country would be in a lot less money issues than it is.
Here in the UK it's often talked about and people get angry about Bob the builder doing cash only work and not paying his taxes. Just another plan from the government and media to cause in fighting rather than look at the real issue, big corps.
But also fuck scalpers so I'm torn.
Speculative profits should be heavily taxed, it doesn't matter if it's done by old money that runs the big corporation or by middle class people that are as morally bankrupt. Scalpers and oligarchs are just two strains of the same virus.
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Yes? I'm against both of the parties in my comment. Maybe I made it sound like I'm in the scalpers side with my tax complaints, I'm not. I just don't want this government overreach to be placed in a positive light just because its also affecting people we hate.
Yeah I agree - as a small time gigging musician, fuck scalpers and also fuck government overreach here. Anything that hurts scalpers (in all fields, but tickets especially) is interesting to me and the average concert goer, but if it comes at the cost of broadly limiting the used music gear market, among thousands of other used equipment communities, it’s misdirected legislature at best.
The companies and systems that enable scalping and customer extortion such as Live Nation absolutely need to be limited and restricted, but setting a broad limit across all secondhand sales at $600 when it was previously $20,000 is an inaccurate miscorrection. More informed and nuanced legislature is necessary
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It's not just transactions. $600 is the lower limit on taxable income. I used to do food delivery and if you make under $600 for the year it's not reported and not taxable. You're supposed to report any income over $600.
maybe they could go after ticketmaster's near monopoly and constant breakage of agreements with gov. branches? just a thought
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Scalpers are predators, and captive markets like Ticketmaster give them a hunting ground.
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Wait, someone paid more than $600 for a fucking concert?
Yes and often times way more than that. I checked prices for a Tool concert at a venue near me a few weeks ago and the section closest to the stage had tickets reselling for thousands of dollars. Obligatory fuck Ticketmaster...
They could have sold multiple tickets
Ah good point, that makes more sense.
Well as per article yes, but 600$ is the reporting limit. If Ticketmaster, stubhub and so on has a reseller account with sales income of more than 600$ per year, they have to file it to IRS. Whether its single sale or thousands of separate small sales doesn't matter.
Completely normal tax procedure. Pretty much all big such platforms of various fields stock exchanges, commodity markets etc. have such obligation ledges on them for avoidance of tax evasion.
Nor as second note is anyone being "punished". Punishing is what happens on breaking law. This is business taxes, you make profits selling stuff, income taxes start applying. Normal cost of doing business in society for the services society provides (national military keeps the Mongol horde from wrecking your business and so on, transport atluthority builds roads to run business trucks on so the music tour entourage can get to the arena, so one can sell tickets to that conce for profit and son on).
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I mean, technically there's no new tax or anything here, they're just forcing companies to report the income so people can't get away with not paying their taxes on the profit. Now if only they'd enforce the tax laws on rich people, they'd easily make way more than this whole scheme will make by targeting a single billionaire.
Scalpers are absolutely the worst.
I pay my taxes and you should, too. I have no sympathy in general for people not reporting income from PayPal etc, but I'm struggling to think of a less sympathetic subgroup of tax frauds than ticket scalpers. They're not getting special treatment here, it's any 1099 income via the payment apps, but I really wish that wasn't the case. These crooks should be taxed out of business.
Punishment? Huh, didn't know the tax man doesn't want me to make money.
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