I navigated the instance some. The amount of disinformation on its posts is concerning to me. I hadent personally been effected but the potential is worrisome.
I don't know her Mariah smile
But honestly, if someone has an account on that instance it's probably good for them to be able to read posts and comments on other instances. Of course once in a while that will lead to some trolling and individual users will be banned. If that's too much then the whole instance should be defederated. But I don't think it should be preemptive. I see more potential for good than harm.
Things that should be preemptive: accessibility, codes of conduct.
They can still read all of the instances without logging in. The entire reason to have an instance like that is because they can do what they want there. Other instances won't put up with it.
I think we should be wary and keep them on a short leash, but I don't see them causing enough trouble here in October 2025 to defederate. If I'd wanted a safe space I would have gone to Beehaw.
Yes for defederation
They should be defederated.
Their hateful ideas should have no place here.
Defederate, we saw what the_donald become. If anything, to avoid the bots and agitators.
The post on Science Memes got downvoted into oblivion, which is funny.
But yeah, we should probably defed these pos.
Defederate. Let the right-wingers have their echo-chambers in isolation
And keep your own echo-chamber? I'm very disappointed in this community... I haven't come across any posts from that community but their front page looks no worse than news@lemmy.ml just with a different slant. They don't even have any comments so the community must be tiny.
ooooh i also love banning everyone with an opinion that differs from mine. I do it in all my communities. Cleanse the nonbelievers! Purify our echo chamber!
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Purify our echo chamber!
Purify our echo chamber!
That 'differing opinion' is somebody else's right to exist
Hate is not an opinion and hate is all that maga stands for.
Says the person who wants an echo-chamber
as long as they're small and not annoying, it's better to keep them, so ppl can influence them
This is the logic that keeps them and their hateful ideas in the community.
Let them go live in their own bubble.
Locking them out of the broader community is the right choice
I haven't seen any evidence of their users consistently violating rules of other instances, I've only seen intolerant communities on their instance. That should not be grounds for defederation, we should only defederate if their instance refuses to deal with reported abuse from their users.
So I'll vote no on this. While I very much disagree politically w/ that instance, I don't think that's enough to defederate.
The only interactions I've had with them was a user trolling.
If you have evidence, post it. If we have any mods who have experience working w/ their admins, we should have that evidence as well.
As a general rule, I am against defederation unless the instance is going to cause liability or technical problems (bot spamming, illegal content, etc.)
This instance in particular is closer to banning a user that is self hosting. It is closed, requires account approval, and thusly defederation will not catch any unknowing users in a dragnet.
So I think defederation is a reasonable exception for this instance, especially given the community vote in progress.
I would like the option to vote to defer to the moderators. Reason being while I think it is valid to keep their community exposed to outside, less supportive, takes on their ideology, I also understand that the community has potential to be a particularly toxic and hostile one, so I understand if our moderators (who I am very appreciative of) don't want to take on the task of keeping them in check on this community.
Also, those of you upvoting and downvoting votes are wild.
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