Come on, isn't maga.place a Russian information operation? It's not founded by MAGA people, but by a foreign power whose goal is to pose as MAGAts in order to expand the gap within USA's population.
Let MAGAs read and engage with reasonable content as long as possible so long as they aren't dickheads. You never know when someone will say something that makes them rethink their position.
Yup, my mind was changed around the time I found Reddit and was exposed to new ideas. Before that point, I considered myself conservative because I thought they actually wanted smaller government, but then I found I'm closer to libertarian, specifically Penn Jillette's flavor, and found communities on Reddit to that extent. Since then, I've probably voted more Democrat than Republican in my red state, at least for contested offices.
We need more discussion across political lines, not less.
Why should users of this instance spend their leisure time with people who not only want to take away their rights, but label themselves as such? A label that tags their user name regardless of what they're saying.
Why should we, as users of this instance, ever allow someone who visibly declares their support for hateful politics, to engage with the most vulnerable among us in the first place?
MAGA policies are killing women. I'm a woman. I see someone calling themselves MAGA and I see someone who supports stripping away my autonomy and letting me die.
Everyone can join as many instances as they want if they believe defederating from hate speech enthusiasts is creating an echo chamber.
I beleive we need to debate that filth and fight them everywhere. However, if I want to do that, I can always create a user somewhere else that allows me to do so and not pollute this instance. I want this instance to be a nice place that I can show to people as a good alternative to reddit and other social media platforms wihout puting them at risk of being brainwashed by fascists. In short, I support to defederate.
Okay I had to think on this one a while. It seems like their community is microscopic. There really is barely anything there. The stuff that is there isn't even really offensive or objectionable just conservative. I do get what people are saying that we need to fight facism everywhere but I tend to err on the side of more speech unless I see evidence of harm coming from a community so I will vote nay but I also don't think there is going to be any loss if people to vote to ban it as there is nearly no posts on there or discussions.
I'm exactly the same way. I want to err on the side of more speech, since it's pretty easy to defederate from them later if they cause problems. I'm not going to join any of their communities, and I probably won't notice if they engage on ones I'm part of unless they're being a jerk. I tend to not really look at usernames anyway.
So yeah, I probably won't notice regardless of the outcome of this vote. So the extent of my feelings on this is that I prefer more speech rather than less. If our mods and admins can work with their mods and admins, then we good.
I'm reminded of a story about a bartender, who immediately kicked out a Nazi simply for entering the establishment. The Nazi wasn't causing any trouble. But the rational was that once you start allowing Nazis in "because they're nice", they'll start inviting their friends, who might not be so nice. Now your bar is a Nazi bar, and they become much harder to kick out because "you already let us in, why do you have a problem now?"
Nazis (and fascists in general) use the same tricks as narcissistic people, by holding you to your words because you believe in words. They don't, so they happily trample all over you once you let your guard down.
Nazism, by definition, is hateful and violent ideology. Maga is following in their footsteps. They have no place in this world.
That's a really poor analogy here though. Here's one that I think is better:
Communities can block individual users that are undesirable without the instance getting involved. That's the Nazi bar example, and it's totally reasonable for communities to have strict moderation for who they let in.
Instances should only get involved if admins from another instance refuse to take action against their users who cause issues. And an instance can block another with minimal drama, it's like border security not accepting visas from that country any more. Until we have evidence that an instance isn't capable of enforcing rules on its users, there's no reason to ban them.
Well that's why we're voting, isn't it? This isn't the admins making a decision to defederate, it's the users.
And jesus fucking christ the amount of FUD going on over this is more enough to show that it should be defederated.
Yes, and that's why I'm making my case for not defederating. I don't like their content, and honestly wouldn't be sad to see them go, but I'm against defederation decisions being made based on political views, and that seems to be what's happening here.
FUD going on over this is more enough to show that it should be defederated.
Weird, I came to the opposite conclusion. Here's the process I followed:
The negative impact to users seemed exceedingly small, since they didn't even have engagement on their own posts, and I haven't seen anyone discussing issues with the few users they have.
So why defederate? This seems like a bunch of people virtue signaling over pretty much nothing, mostly based on the domain (WTF?), and somewhat based on conservative views.
I think we should stay federated on principle to remind people that civility has value. We don't want to be like Lemmy.ml that bans people over content critical to the CCP or Russia, and how is defederating from this instance any different?
Maybe we need to defederate later if their instance causes issues, but then we'd be absolutely justified.
That's the one!
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I voted no. I strongly disagree with maga fucks, but I also don't want an echo chamber. Discussion and debate benefit from disagreement.
I say no, just like college, the point is to expose yourself to the enemy, learn what they say, or otherwise you're just existing in a bubble
The left is becoming convinced that anything less than a bubble is a "nazi bar".
I grew up in a conservative home and I saw the left bubble from the outside. If it weren't for that I'm sure I would have moved left earlier because honestly socialism is much more in line with my beliefs than the hyperindividualism, greed, consumption, and learned psychopathy of neoliberalism.
Some people willing to engage with me would have been nice. I try to be that person now.
I haven't seen any evidence of their users consistently violating rules of other instances, I've only seen intolerant communities on their instance. That should not be grounds for defederation, we should only defederate if their instance refuses to deal with reported abuse from their users.
So I'll vote no on this. While I very much disagree politically w/ that instance, I don't think that's enough to defederate.
I don't know her Mariah smile
But honestly, if someone has an account on that instance it's probably good for them to be able to read posts and comments on other instances. Of course once in a while that will lead to some trolling and individual users will be banned. If that's too much then the whole instance should be defederated. But I don't think it should be preemptive. I see more potential for good than harm.
Things that should be preemptive: accessibility, codes of conduct.
They can still read all of the instances without logging in. The entire reason to have an instance like that is because they can do what they want there. Other instances won't put up with it.
As a general rule, I am against defederation unless the instance is going to cause liability or technical problems (bot spamming, illegal content, etc.)
This instance in particular is closer to banning a user that is self hosting. It is closed, requires account approval, and thusly defederation will not catch any unknowing users in a dragnet.
So I think defederation is a reasonable exception for this instance, especially given the community vote in progress.
Please defed them if my vote is allowed.
i appreciate your input, but I have a question. did you just find this post or was there a link to it somewhere?
the comments are so active for an 8 day old post and idk why
I have been not well. Was catching up and the post was in my All.
Seeing as your on lemmy.ca, this thread might be more useful to you as your vote wouldn't be counted in SJW.
ah I see. Wishing you the best of luck
I believe in an open internet so my vote is no
We have an openly fascist president who reads Mein Kampf and administration members who combined have made Nazis comfortable literally doing Nazi salutes on international broadcast TV. IMO the U.S. IS the Nazi bar in the story - we let one Nazi in and now they've brought all their friends. Let's not repeat that mistake on Lemmy.
Give them the boot.
I think we should be wary and keep them on a short leash, but I don't see them causing enough trouble here in October 2025 to defederate. If I'd wanted a safe space I would have gone to Beehaw.
I would like the option to vote to defer to the moderators. Reason being while I think it is valid to keep their community exposed to outside, less supportive, takes on their ideology, I also understand that the community has potential to be a particularly toxic and hostile one, so I understand if our moderators (who I am very appreciative of) don't want to take on the task of keeping them in check on this community.
Also, those of you upvoting and downvoting votes are wild.
I navigated the instance some. The amount of disinformation on its posts is concerning to me. I hadent personally been effected but the potential is worrisome.
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