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Also, is self empathy even a thing? Is self empathy distinct from self pity?

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[-] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago

I am a physical being. With machinery subject to the laws of physics. My inputs and outputs are constrained to a reality far more limited than the abstracted levels of dreams and imagination.

This is both the super power that allows me to move the world but also reality of the limits.

I am a social being. My ability to think part of shared expanse of a web of billions. I have exceptional sensors for this task but this also means other people also can have an immense effect on me as well. From close personal relationships, parasociol ones, with both real and imagined beings.

This helps me a lot. I need to eat, sleep, breathe, and perform other maintenance tasks. I need to aware of the social aspects of my life. Set boundaries, to communicate my needs and wants so they can respond accordingly, and adjust my own plans based on the new understanding they can give. I make many things I am very proud of, but there is no shame now that I can snap huge things into existence in an instance. It takes time and physical processes to happen and that's ok.

[-] EnsignWashout@startrek.website 8 points 16 hours ago

Lots of folks replying don't seem believe in self empathy.

That makes me sad.

Self empathy is the foundation of empathy toward others.

The golden rule - treat others as I want to be treated - only really became effective, for my friends, after I learned to treat myself well.

[-] pixeltree 3 points 12 hours ago

It's the reverse; I have to constantly remind myself to treat me like I treat others. I despise myself and have great empathy for others, self empathy might be the foundation of empathy towards others for you, but that's certainly not universal

[-] EnsignWashout@startrek.website 2 points 5 hours ago

I have to constantly remind myself to treat me like I treat others.

I do, as well.

I treat others. I despise myself and have great empathy for others

I said that to myself before, as well.

But I discovered my empathy for others became surprisingly more effective after I started an intentional practice of self-empathy.

but that's certainly not universal

Certainly. This is what worked for me, and my relationships.

[-] macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

The golden rule does not work. What if I like to be treated like shit? What if I like physical abuse because it gets me off? Does that mean I should treat others this way?

[-] EnsignWashout@startrek.website 1 points 5 hours ago

The golden rule does not work. What if I like to be treated like shit?

Agreed. But it is a good default place to we start.

The real skill is empathy - to understand how the other person wants to be treated.

My empathy for others became much more effective after I started practicing empathy for myself.

It was a bit eye opening, to me, to realize how much impact a practice of self-empathy made in my relationships.

[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

I think it is more complicated than this. I agree with you to a certain extent. Maybe it is mild autism or something but my sense of internal perceptive judgement is about like an extra internal entity compared to how most people seem to perceive the world. I do not see myself as an exceptional case or prioritize myself within the framework of self perceived justice. I ultimately care more about that justice than about myself as a person and I will act against my best interests to do what I perceive as right. Within this pseudo entity there isn't consideration for how anyone feels, especially myself. There is right, wrong, and nothing else. I do not care about the emotions at all in that space.

So when you say "treat others as you want to be treated," that falls into the scope of this pseudo entity and it just seems super silly to say. Like, of course I will treat you exactly the same as I treat myself, but I will not be emotionally caring or aware as that has nothing to do with objective right and wrong.

To me, emotions are a separate thing, and an area where I have far less depth. My empathy comes from my own hardships and insights projected onto others and a desire to be a positive overall influence on those I interact with. I cannot fix other people, I can only fix me, so I want to be the change I want to see in the world. I want to do right by you. I want to be supportive when I have none. I want you to be happier than me. I do this not out of reciprocal self interest, but out of a distaste for a harsh and cruel world where the only variable within my control is me. I only worry about the things I can change.

[-] EnsignWashout@startrek.website 2 points 5 hours ago

Well said. Particularly

out of a distaste for a harsh and cruel world

I want to respond (with agreement) to:

treat others as you want to be treated,"

  • is, indeed silly. It's meant as an overly simple default to grow from.

Treat others as they ask to be treated is much better.

But I do believe that both benefit from an intentional practice of self-empathy.

[-] KokusnussRitter@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 12 hours ago

Yes. But being kind and understanding towards yourself is a skill you might have to practice, if you were treated badly. And sometimes that is really hard to do by ourselves, and it's okay to get help.

I think the difference between pity and understanding is - well understanding. E.G. I know I made a bad decision, but I was scared/tired etc. It was a bad move and I can try to do better in the future. It's okay, we all make mistakes. That is how we learn.

While pity looks like: OMG why did I do this? Why did this happen to me? It's so unfair. I was so tired/scared. How could someone put me in that position?!

[-] EnsignWashout@startrek.website 6 points 16 hours ago

Is self empathy distinct from self pity?

Absolutely.

Pity is when I wallow in how unfair everything is to me.

Empathy is when I realize I genuinely got dealt a shit hand, then give myself some time to recover, and then get on with life.

[-] Drbreen@sh.itjust.works 12 points 22 hours ago

Self empathy is an oxymoron since empathy is about others by definition. As another said, emotional intelligence seems like a better fit.

[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

In abstract, your former self is a different person. You have changed as a product of your environment and you will never again be that person you were in the past.

Emotional intelligence lacks any meaningful specificity and comes across to me as an insult, which is the antithesis of the intent of he post question. Semantics often lack substantive utility, especially within the subject of psychology.

Sorry for another waste of time thing to explore here on Lemmy. I always end up regretting and then deleting this type of good faith post.

[-] Drbreen@sh.itjust.works 5 points 21 hours ago

What waste of time? Are we not just discussing here? Is that what you would've said to me if we were talking face to face?

[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago

Yes, depending on the tone, I would either confront the perceived slight or avoid talking to you all together.

The last bit about the post, no, I would not say that out loud but would internalize that the group I am in has incompatible abstractive thinking scope for such a casual conceptual subject of interest to me.

[-] Drbreen@sh.itjust.works 3 points 20 hours ago

So what you're really asking is. Do I have the capability of looking back at the person that I was 10, 15, 20, 25 years ago and empathising with who I was as being a different person at an abstract level?

[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Yes, but it is likely far less pronounced if you've had a reasonably stable life.

I've had the experience of relocating thousands of miles away multiple times in my life, halved my weight, abandoned the dogmatic tribal mythos of my birth, and have been disabled from a broken neck and back due to the gross ineptitude of a terrible driver. That last one forced me to completely reinvent myself.

One of the hardest relevant experiences was relocating long distance then returning some years later. Nothing will be the same upon return. It will feel just as foreign as moving away to the new place did. Such an experience reveals just how much we all evolve with time and how we are a product of our environment.

Something as simple as living on a hilltop versus on a flat floodplain may have a major impact on how you exercise regularly, and that may shape or come to define you in profound ways. Such changes are essentially a different person. Your hormones, interactions, mood, interests, and sleep patterns are collectively what defines you on a fundamental layer.

That person may have made regretful mistakes. Those mistakes may be very different than who you have become and how you might handle them now. The question here in this post is really about how you perceive those regrets or mistakes now. Are they just a regrettable weight on you, perhaps motivational through the negative feedback of self shame? Or, are you empathetic towards that person, trusting that they did their best at the time, in the environment, given the same pressures and constraints; acknowledging the complexities involved well enough to admit you do not know you would be able to do things better now, even after age and experience? In other words, do you see past the fallacy of dichotomous oversimplification of hindsight to see yourself as a real human? There is room for empathy in that reflective abstract perspective.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 20 hours ago

You're not wrong. I hope you leave the post up.

[-] Broadfern@lemmy.world 8 points 21 hours ago

Perhaps self-directed compassion would be a better fitting term?

Empathy is about feeling what others feel, where compassion is usually associated with acts of showing kindness. As another commenter has mentioned, being reminded to be nice to yourself in a situation can be important.

[-] AceFuzzLord@lemmy.zip 2 points 16 hours ago

Yeah, I absolutely have self empathy that is somewhat distinct from self pity. Though, that might be from being autistic considering I'm also the type to love to self deprecate myself by calling myself r*tarded and stupid in a joking and/or non-serious manner.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago

No I'm a useless piece of shit and I don't empathize with myself at all.

[-] Stegget@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Nobody hates me quite like I do

[-] callyral@pawb.social 4 points 19 hours ago

present me is the chad and past me is the soykak

[-] SpicyTaint@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago

Why would I? He's never done anything for me.

[-] Kennystillalive@feddit.org 5 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Yes. When I refelct on the past me I feel certain ways towards myself. It may make feel sad because I was hurt, get angry because I feel like I was treated unjust or pround because I achieved a certain thing.

[-] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 4 points 21 hours ago

Kind of...

I keep thinking about that day, that day where my innocent soul was shattered by the cruelty of the world, the one of lowest moment, probably the scariest moment of my life.

The day where my older brother had a fight with me and chased me around the apartment unit. I got scared, I was literally like 5-7. I didn't know what to do. How do I not get hurt? Was what little me would've thought. So I ran towards the door. I left home. I was scared. I was alone in the world. The first time ever I was truely alone, not lost in a store, actually alone, out in the world. I mean, in hindsight, I probably shouldn't have done that, but I was a kid, couldn't expect that kid to be making good judgement calls. How did I even survive? Kidnappings were rumored to be common in my country, and it was pure luck I didn't get kidnapped.

Every time I think about that, I cry, I feel so sad for that kid, "that kid" being my younger self over a decade ago.

Every time I see "normal" family relationships, I just keep thinking of "that kid".

Its weird. Sometime I remember the exact PoV that day, being terrified.

Sometime I think of it from like a "movie" 3rd person point of view. And "seeing" that kid being tormented by his older brother just makes me rage.

Maybe the 3rd person view is me trying to distance myself away from it. Trying to cover up the mental wounds I got that day. That day. That day that I will never forget, that I cannot forget. The betrayal by someone who share the same blood as me, "brother", huh? With that kind of sibling, who needs enemies?

So yes I keep having to relive that moment.

I kinda tried to seal off the memory, but eventually the Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACE) just gets piled up, the list of these events get longer. You can't hide those memories, its always with you, for the rest of your life. They say if you have 4 "ACEs", you are statistically more likely to have depression. Well, here I am, the statistics were right.

Fuck.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 20 hours ago

Yes, yes, and yes.

I try. I find myself even harsher on my mistakes and less proud of my accomplishments given current politics and policy keeps me busier than I'd prefer, but I try my best to see what I do in a more positive light.

Small steps.

[-] Nemo@slrpnk.net 3 points 21 hours ago

I do not. It's much easier to be generous towards others than myself.

[-] kbal@fedia.io 3 points 22 hours ago

Me and myself get empathetic with each other all the time.

[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago

This was just a random thought I have not explored at all. It just occurred to me while staring at a lunch plate. I realized I have never thought of self empathy before. Empathy has always been externalized in my mind.

Like love as a concept lacks substantive primary meaning in any context. To me, love is a secondary function consisting primarily of empathy and kindness as evidenced by actions. Such love is hard to see towards myself. I focus on my curiosity and often my mistakes and failures as a catalyst to drive change. Perhaps a better exploration of self empathy is the key to a more positive internal perspective and sense of self.

[-] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 4 points 21 hours ago

It is often repeated that you should treat others how you want to be treated. Sometimes we also need to be reminded to treat ourselves the way we would treat others we care about. For instance, if you feel like you're not good enough, ask yourself how you would talk to a friend who is feeling that way.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 20 hours ago

I think so.

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