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[-] McScience@discuss.online 121 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Or just be me, WFH and never leave the house

[-] Pheonixdown@lemm.ee 45 points 1 year ago

If only employers cared. It has been nice, now my employer is rolling out a arbitrary but mandatory 4 days return to office policy. In like 8 years of employment I never needed to be there that much. Whatever, 100% remote job market looks decent for me, hopefully find a better place soon.

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[-] frezik@midwest.social 117 points 1 year ago

Most of the criticisms that come from the right are solvable problems, such as lack of chargers, electricity coming from dirty sources, or lithium mining. We pretty much know how to solve all those at this point. Just a matter of doing it.

Criticisms that come from the left tend to be more fundamental. Things like car-based cities being too spread out, infrastructure costs spiraling out of control, or having the average person operate a 2 ton vehicle at speeds over 60mph and expecting this to be safe. None of those are specific to EVs, and are only solvable by looking at different transportation options.

[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 51 points 1 year ago

But solving problems costs money! We need to be transferring those dollars to our wealthy donors, not spending them on public improvements!

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[-] Goodtoknow@lemmy.ca 84 points 1 year ago

People don't want to change the status quo or inconvenience themselves slightly in any way for the greater good. People want a magic drop in replacement that magically "fixes/solves" the environmental crisis and allows life to continue on as is. (So they don't have to take "yucky" public transit)

What really needs to be known though is life has to somewhat drastically change so we can make the world a healthier place for generations to come in the future.

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 55 points 1 year ago

You're being downvoted because you're right. I've had people argue that EVs still aren't a good alternative because they may require a bit more effort every once in a while. Like, charging for 30 minutes at a charger on a long road trip vs just gassing up. Other than that they are pretty much a drop in alternative and people still balk at them.

Then trying to get them to use public transit instead? Doesn't even matter if it's more convenient, they're stuck in their ways and will refuse to change ever.

Get out of your ruts people. Just because "this is the way things are" doesn't mean it's the best way. Ffs the amount of midwesterners who come to my city to visit and think we're being "unsafe" by using the train, just get out of your mindsets.

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[-] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

What's kinda funny is we already have a mode of public transit almost everybody, even those who drive everywhere, use: elevators. Buses, trains, etc. are only seen as "yucky" because most people (at least in America) don't use them and refuse to spend their tax dollars on them, leaving them to be used primarily by the poor and desperate. But when you have public transit that is used by everybody, like elevators, you find they're well-funded and well-kept, and absolutely no one will bat an eye about having to use it.

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[-] johnthedoe@lemmy.ml 77 points 1 year ago

I tell people yes do get an EV for your next car. But also use this chance to really think about if you need the car at all. Or does every adult in the household need a car each. Our city is trash for everyone having to own a car.

Best is to run your car to the ground. Then get an EV if you must own a car.

[-] Lintson@aussie.zone 28 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately mass transit that works for everyone is the enemy of vehicle manufacturers.

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[-] andy_wijaya_med@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Live in a not so small town in Germany. I haven't had the need to have a car after I have been living for 9 years.

I commute with bike to work, take public transport when it's a farther journey.

Until I have a daughter a couple of months ago. I realize that I really need a car. :(

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[-] drdalek13@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago

If I could guarantee that my job is remote forever, or have it written in my contract, I would sell my car.

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[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 53 points 1 year ago

I'm entertained by the fact that everyone gets hung up on how EVs are still not totally green because the electricity comes from coal fired plants or that there's still manufacturing emissions and stuff....

It's like, yeah, but compared to an ICE car, which has all the same problems (environmental cost of manufacturing the vehicle, mining and refining the fuel, transporting it, etc) but EVs don't actively pollute nearly as much during use, and they speak as if these are of equal environmental cost, and they're not. Additionally, ICE vehicles need a lot more oil to operate that needs to be changed and disposed of every few thousand miles.

It's like doing less harm isn't valuable to the people arguing against it, but then again, those are probably the same people who drive their V8 truck to get groceries.

[-] vithigar@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 year ago

Plus there are plenty of people, like myself, who live in areas where the electricity comes from mostly renewable sources.

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[-] grue@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It’s like, yeah, but compared to an ICE car, which has all the same problems (environmental cost of manufacturing the vehicle, mining and refining the fuel, transporting it, etc) but EVs don’t actively pollute nearly as much during use, and they speak as if these are of equal environmental cost, and they’re not. Additionally, ICE vehicles need a lot more oil to operate that needs to be changed and disposed of every few thousand miles.

None of that is the real problem with electric cars.

The real problem with electric cars is that they're still cars, which means they embody the same arrogance of space as regular cars. In other words, they take up too much space -- both while driving and while parked -- physically forcing trip origins and destinations further apart and ruining the city not only for pedestrians, cyclists and transit riders, but even also for the drivers themselves.

(That last link is from the perspective of a car enthusiast, by the way.)

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[-] pingveno@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago

Also, charging from the electrical grid means EV's immediately get future improvements in CO2 usage when the grid improves its mix of power sources.

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[-] Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Public transport is awesome..

It just doesnt always go where everyone needs to go

Bikes are great right until you have to do large grocery shopping or get to a place far away.

I cant do without a car where i live.

[-] Liz@midwest.social 36 points 1 year ago

You live in a place designed around cars, that's the problem. Society worked fine without cars for a good long while. We could have adopted trains, bikes, and buses without the car and things would be going swimmingly. The idea is to fix our bad town planning so that it's reasonable to get to any destination using any mode if transportation.

[-] Polar@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago

You live in a place designed around cars, that’s the problem.

Exactly. Then Europeans downvote people who say they need a car, because their country/city/state/whatever has terrible planning or public transit.

Not my fault I need a car. Stop blaming me. I didn't design the city. I didn't plan where the public transit will go.

Do you really think I love paying $1200+ per year for insurance, $120+ per week for fuel, and $20,000-80,000 for a new vehicle when mine borks itself?

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[-] grue@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Bikes are great right until you have to do large grocery shopping

That's only because we're doing it wrong.

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[-] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 40 points 1 year ago

That argument will be thrown at every god damn step we make towards a better planet. It's not valid.

[-] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 1 year ago

The problem is that the real way to cut down on emissions would be to accept that not every good can be available at any time and that's a bitter pill to swallow.

We have tuna caught in South America, hauled to Thailand for canning and hauled back to the US to be sold. Turns more profit than local catches because the megacorporations can save a couple bucks on worker salaries. And that is just an example, it's not just the food industry, hauling shit to hell and back and back to hell and back is common practice.

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[-] bestnerd@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

If I could hop on a train from the country side or ride my bike 20m on a dirt road or ice and winter to get to a store I’d be happy but that’s not happening

[-] sexy_peach@feddit.de 22 points 1 year ago

Could happen soon, has happened before in most places.

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[-] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Bikes sound like a great idea until you decide to live in the hills/mountains, or a place where it rains/snows often, or you need to buy more than 4 bags of groceries, or you live in a desert, or you are moving furniture.

[-] saigot@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

eBikes really take the sting out of hills.

I live where it snows a lot, winter tires are a must, but so long as bike lanes are properly cleared it's not really a problem (big IF I know), until it gets to -25C or colder the cold isn't really a problem (you warm up fast peddling, I normally find myself unzipping my jacket).

My cargo bike is enough for me to take 2 weeks of groceries for 4 people. The largest thing I have transported has been a fridge (which funnily enough couldn't fit in my EV). the bike is rated for 200Kg, but I would bet it can take more if you don't mind going a little slower. I have also transported lawn mowers, bar stools and a rocking chair. For anything bigger than that 30bucks on a uhaul is more than worthwhile, although I look forward to electric uhauls.

[-] uis@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

You will be surprised how much grandmas with grandma trolley can carry.

[-] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I live in Montreal which gets like 90 inches of snow annually and can get down to the -20s Celsius regularly in the winter. And yet I (and many others) still bike throughout the winter. Turns out having good protected bike infrastructure and plowing it regularly in the winter makes biking perfectly practical even in the middle of a cold, snowy winter.

In fact, two of the best cities for biking in North America are Montreal and Minneapolis, both very cold and snowy in the winter.

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[-] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 1 year ago

Please tell me more about how easy it is to move furniture with a VW Polo!

[-] bassomitron@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

Right lol, you either use a truck or rent a uhaul for that kind of business.

[-] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Exactly. And in a hilly/mountainous area, you get a bike with multiple gears (21 gear bikes are not a rarity even in the north german plains where I live) or with electric motor support. If you need to get a lot of groceries you either do groceries more often or get a cargo bike. For bad weather there's clothing.

Nobody says a bike is perfect for everyone. But the vast majority of people live in urban environments and don't need to haul tons of cargo daily. Bikes are a piece of the puzzle and if only those people had a car who actually need one often it could be a huge piece.

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[-] makeasnek@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't understand how hydrogen didn't win the race. Transports and explodes just like gasoline. Make car go fast. Doesn't degrade like lithium. Can be "mined" by throwing electricity at water during times of excess generation by renewables. When you burn it, it turns into water. Has none of the national security concerns of distribution of lithium mining and production in other countries.

[-] jabjoe@feddit.uk 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hydrogen for cars is a nonsense. It is so inefficient. Unless you are making it from oil, which why the oil companies are pushing it, you lose loads of energy making it. Then it has to storages and transported, which is hard. Then the car use of it is inefficient too.

So ignoring the oil industries' "blue hydrogen", and looking only at "green hydrogen", you are looking at about 22% of the energy generated ending up pushing the car forward! With an EV it is about 73%. So hydrogen car are over 3 times more expensive to run.

Plus you can just plug in an EV anywhere. With an EV, if need be, you can charge, slowly, off a normal home socket. Of course, normally, you fit faster charging at home.

Hydrogen cars is lie pushed by big oil.

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[-] royal_starfish@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

You can use liquified hydrogen which need to be chilled and insulated, and will evaporate away in a short time if not properly sealed

Or you use compressed hydrogen which means you are basically carrying an IED that weighs several hundred kilograms with the amount of pressure inside the gas tank

And hydrogen combustion is as others have said, inefficient.

Another issue is that you also need to use basically pure oxygen if you want to use a hydrogen fuel cell, otherwise the catalyst inside the cell would get poisoned

And well, there is a car that did all that, the Toyota Mirai, but that also pretty much ended in commercial failure, due to lack of hydrogen filling infrastructure and a whole load of other reasons.

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[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

But I can’t put a 75” TV and a 48 pack of Pepsi on the back of a bike duh.

[-] icedcoffee@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

This is my usual trip to the store so I feel your pain!

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[-] PelicanPersuader@beehaw.org 21 points 1 year ago

It would be great if our public transit system in the US was funded enough to actually be useful for more than just occasional, highly specific trips.

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[-] pascal@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago

I remember saying it about 10 years ago:

You can see the culture shock in how progress works across different countries:

Japan, let's build a shockingly fast and quiet train! USA, here's an electric car that drives itself.

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[-] Facebones@reddthat.com 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Imagine if all the posting just to shit on biking and public transit just rode a bike or something instead of sucking on a tailpipe for dear fucking life.

Blocking anybody who has to argue in bad faith, I have better things to do with my time then listen to your disengenuous bullshit.

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[-] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

I bus nearly everywhere but I'm lucky I'm in a city and have access to transit. Build more transit!

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