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And I hate their blue-rich eye searing headlights to.

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[-] RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world 171 points 1 year ago

Within the "truck" class of vehicles, EPA fuel efficiency standards are based on weight. It's easier to build heavy trucks and SUVs that meet those standards, than light trucks.

Effectively, the US government legislated heavier trucks and SUVs.

Video that explains it.

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[-] DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone 78 points 1 year ago

I think this is USA only. Maybe mention that in the title. They don't sell half of those cars here.

[-] cestvrai@lemm.ee 52 points 1 year ago

I wish. More shitty American pickups in the Netherlands each year, further encouraged by a tax loophole.

I hope the gas prices bleed these fuckers dry…

[-] joelfromaus@aussie.zone 17 points 1 year ago

It’s the same in Australia. Tax incentives given to businesses during the pandemic mixed with a large influx of yank tanks available on the market means that there are heaps of these monster trucks getting around. I honestly don’t know how they cope, the roads and parking around here aren’t designed for such large vehicles and this is out in the countryside; I can’t see them fitting in narrow city streets.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

yank tanks

I love it. I'd use it here in the U.S. but no one calls each other Yanks internally.

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[-] mouserat@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 year ago

We just had a laugh about this this week at work - it's just such a ridiculous size compared to European cars.

[-] ClockworkOtter@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Even our cars are getting noticeably bigger. It's a stark difference if you see old refurbished cars from the 80s compared to their contemporary counterparts.

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[-] elrik@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago

We got here because fuel economy requirements are tied to the size and type of vehicle, and so it's easier to make and sell larger, less efficient vehicles.

https://afdc.energy.gov/data/mobile/10562

Why make a smaller vehicle with a smaller margin that requires more engineering time to reach fuel economy standards when you can sell a larger, often more expensive vehicle that has the same fuel economy as last year's model?

Consequently they have become best selling vehicles because there are increasingly fewer small vehicles on dealer lots to purchase.

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[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 37 points 1 year ago

Stop buying bigger and bigger cars.

I drive a station wagon because I need to fit two dogs in the booth plus and entire family in the same car. But this is a transitory need. At some point I'll either get a small van, for carrying the dogs, or a small hatchback and have the backseats always folded down.

You should buy according to your true needs not market pressure.

[-] snaf@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 year ago

I don't even consider a station wagon a big car anymore. And I bet the vast majority of station wagon owners actually need the space. No shot the average SUV owner needs the weight for anything other than to feel "safe" in their tank.

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[-] enki@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

Or buy whatever the fuck you want, because why not make one part of your miserable life slightly more pleasurable by driving something that makes you smile. In the US, 99% of us need a vehicle to commute because we don't have access to decent public transportation, so why not drive something you enjoy? Do I need a 500hp Mustang to get me to work and back? Hell no, but it sure does turn that commute into a few precious moments of happiness before I start the 9-5 grind.

[-] thisNotMyName@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

You could also change your life in a way that sitting in traffic is not your day's highlight, but you do you

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[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 35 points 1 year ago

Unless you work in construction, or have a similar need for a pickup, fuck you for buying one.

Here's a fun anecdote: I live in California, where these vehicles are (mostly) limited to those who need them. In 2018, I visited family in the midwest. We played a game of counting the pickups while walking a short trip from a hotel to a chain outlet. We hit 99 pickups by the time we got to the doors. I was irritated that we got to 99 and not 100 cause that would have been so awesome, but seriously. 99?! In just several minutes. People drive them for fashion, not for practical need.

Every pickup driver that doesn't "need" a pickup is my enemy.

[-] Kage520@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

My brother had a huge truck for a while. Strangely, this size actually affected his driving. All the sudden he felt justified cutting the half-mile long line to get onto the highway and cut in at the last second. "Might is right" he said. "They always let me in because they are scared of this truck."

Ugh. I hope this isn't typical but I feel like it is. I told him that was awful and he just shrugged.

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[-] kosanovskiy@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

I just want my wagons, specifically sport wagons back :(

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[-] dan@lemm.ee 30 points 1 year ago

Partially because people are selfish narcissistic cunts, and partially because being a selfish narcissistic cunt has become normalised.

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[-] ItsDedo@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

The headlights can be angled downwards but fuck it, it's not themselves they're blinding

[-] Naja_Kaouthia@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

I’ve stopped driving my wee little Subaru at night because of these asshats with 900 lights on at roughly supernova levels of brightness.

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[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

I'm going to point one that hasn't been mentioned. Infrastructure.

Highways, roads, streets have way too many lanes that are way too wide. This encourages drivers to drive faster. Faster driving makes overall the roads and vehicles to feel more dangerous, because they are. People's response is to want and acquire larger, heavier an faster vehicles that make them feel safer in those hostile roads.

This is what contemporary urbanism is talking about when they say that infrastructure determines behavior. You can alter people's behavior by changing the shape of infrastructure.

The problem in most of the western world is that the answer of authorities (heavily misled by car and oil industry) has been to make more lanes that are wider. In the false belief that this would make roads safer. When in reality the result is the opposite. Other measures like police enforced fines, speed limits, etc. Are also useless to mitigate the lack of safety and carry a huge set of problems with them like systematic discrimination and endemic corruption.

The answer is to make narrower lanes, with fewer lanes in densely populated area, less parking, traffic calmed and car traffic banned zones. Protect bicicles and pedestrians with concrete traffic segregation. Impose aditional fees and taxes for vehicles above a certain weight and parking space take up. Those things will signal people that it's fine to drive a smaller, slower vehicle, it's fine to use public transport instead. Along with more public transport options available.

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[-] Pipoca@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Trucks have been bestselling models for literally decades.

It's because there's a 25% tariff on importing trucks. It was put in place nearly 60 years ago by Lyndon B Johnson; it's called the "chicken tax" because the excuse for passing it was as a retaliatory tariff against France and Germany taxing American factory farmed chicken.

Because of the chicken tax, fairly few foreign car companies in the US sell pickups.

And because being a "best selling" model is good marketing, truck makers generally sell very few models of truck. For example, the best selling vehicle right now is the Ford "F series". So that's the F150, F250, and F350, in all of their assorted trims. There's a couple other models they sell - the Maverick and the Ranger - but most of the trucks Ford sells are F series.

So a truck driver has been much more likely to drive a F-series for decades than a car driver was to be driving a Civic.

[-] Metacortechs@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

Don't forget the insane fuel efficiency calculation that rewards larger, less efficient trucks over the smaller more efficient ones we used to have. It's the reason even an f150 is gargantuan compared to ones of the past.

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[-] theragu40@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Am I reading this wrong? By all means plenty of people who don't need trucks buy trucks.

But the majority of this list is sedans and compact crossovers? These are barely more than hatchbacks with a different name. Obviously the top few spots are dominated by pickups that have ballooned in size. Legitimate criticisms are easily made.

But after reading the title I was pretty surprised at the list because I expected lots of large SUVs. But most large SUVs are missing from this list.

[-] urist 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Disclaimer: I am not a car person. I do not know the difference between a hatchback and an SUV, except that SUVs are bigger.

This is entirely anecdotal so take this how you will.

Having lived in another nation for a few years, the cars you are calling "compact crossovers" are huge compared to the sort of cars sold in other nations. I don't want to give too many details about where I used to live, but in that nation, roads that we would consider to be one-way, one lane roads were used as two-way roads. If you meet oncoming traffic, the rule is the smaller vehicle pulls aside for the larger one. This is in urban areas. There is no shoulder to pull onto, there is a building there. If everyone with a car owned a huge American-style car or SUV there, it just wouldn't work. Many parking places just don't accommodate for them.

Another anecdote: Despite every house on my street having a two-car garage, there are huge vehicles parked on either side of the road, making our road wide enough for one lane of traffic. These two-car garages were built in the 70s and are too small to fit two vehicles now. Either one car is in the garage and one is on the street, or both cars are now on the street and the garage is full of misc stuff. Why would a road with with two car garages for every house have such congestion problems?

IMO, More people are buying SUVs than they used to. And their "cars" are simply much larger than they used to be.

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[-] happyhippo@feddit.it 23 points 1 year ago

Most best selling cars

in the US 😒

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[-] jeremy_sylvis@midwest.social 22 points 1 year ago

Well, we needed a vehicle that could fit two children and related sports gear and, ideally, haul bikes at some point, and the had the cargo capacity for the yearly road trip vacation with the extended family. A small SUV was the winner as no car measured up and a true truck was overkill.

Shocking though it may be, for many, the use case may be valid.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Minivans can carry more passengers and cargo than SUVs.

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[-] deur@feddit.nl 16 points 1 year ago

Sounds like a normal car with a hitch was the correct choice you ignored.

[-] jeremy_sylvis@midwest.social 18 points 1 year ago

Not really. We already have a 4-door with about as much trunk space as one can get and it wasn't sufficient.

As a side note, how's the view from that high horse?

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[-] iegod@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago

Gross. People don't need trucks.

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[-] art@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Can you name the truck with four wheel drive, smells like a steak and seats 45? Canyonero! (Yahhh) Canyonero.

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[-] centof@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

People (Men especially) think their status in life depends on their vehicle. They just can't get over the idea that bigger is not always better. It's how you use it that matters.

In all seriousness, vehicles have been a status signifier ever since they were created and everyone loves to say that they are better(richer) than the Joneses next door. Being bigger and taller than others is viewed as good in society and in vehicles.

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[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

they don't make anything else.

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[-] joystick@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Serious question: what's a good option if you live in semi-rural suburbs that gets snow in winter? Safety would be my main concern--something with four wheel drive and larger tires makes a difference there.

[-] macaroni1556@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 year ago

Myself commuted with a 95 Saturn SL for years out of a farm in rural Canada. People used crappy small cars for decades and still got where they need to, and today even the most basic car with basic snow tyres is extremely capable.

Needing AWD for the suburbs is a marketing myth the car sales racket wants you to believe.

[-] Pulptastic@midwest.social 19 points 1 year ago

Literally any front wheel drive or AWD car with snow tires.

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[-] Asifall@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

While we’re all bitching about this, is there anything I can do as someone with astigmatism to make driving at night less dangerous besides buying a higher car? I like my small car but it’s beginning to feel like a legitimate safety problem when I drive at night.

[-] HewlandRower@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

They make glasses lenses and contact specific for astigmatism. I've got the same problem and have been looking into it. I have found that polarized clear lenses on a non prescription pair of glasses is somewhat helpful.

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[-] okamiueru@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The only nut job conspiracy I believe is that there is something in the food, water or air, that makes Americans dumb as fuck.

That's how I rationalise their love for dumb impractical cars that look tough, and why complete dimwits get so much air time, let alone can become president.

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[-] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago

Rappers flexing with driving SUVs are one cause for this trend here in germany.

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