While in general the comparison is true, in the specific case of the Kirk circlejerk, people specifically were told to leave their shit outside the venue and TP paid for the cleanup.
Even if being told, who drops their trash on the streets?
Animals. That trash is how their brains must be.
Maybe? Absolutely liberals care more about their communities. Part of conservatism is that you don’t give a single shit about anyone but yourself. Maybe your kids. But that’s only if they’re straight and cis.
The right-wingers also aren't from the place they have these rallies at usually. They drive all over the country and get bussed around for these events to make the movement seem more popular. But when there are large progressive/left protests or events, they are mostly actually from that area so they care more about not making a mess.
Conservatives think destroying the community is a flex.
conservatives think anything is a flex as long as they can CO-OPT it into thier realm, they dont have a single belief they hold on to, and quite fickle, today its bad bunny, tommorow, its something else.
MAGA is white trash. …And pick me trash. To be fair. I wish we could just split the country at this point. Irreconcilable differences.
I wish we could just split the country at this point.
Literally what the controlling donor-class want more than anything.
The more we're divided, the less chance we have of making unified actions against corporate power and capital.
Do you think they will stop at left-versus-right? Why do you think there's so much infighting within left and right groups? Agitators are already in our midst driving up contention with rage-bait politics and they amplify the worst positions on both sides of every issue. They want every single American to be alone, inside their home, browsing a shopping feed.
Well most of project 2025 has been implemented so unless we do something soon we are trapped in a christofacist oligarchy for the foreseeable future. The cage is closing
Most conservatives don't actually want the outcomes from Project 2025 either, they're just WWE fans cheering for their side, they would switch in a heartbeat if the narrative changed, or if they started getting hurt by the policies that will strip them of healthcare, benefits and wages, and most importantly, vices.
They are not capable of looking down the road at what their choices will lead to, their minds don't even work that way and we can't make them work that way no matter how bad we wish they would get smarter or listen to reason and logic.
We have to understand that conservatives broadly are not some overpowered force trying to crush us all, they're just our population's segment of armed toddlers. They think 2-dimensionally, they don't reason or use logic, they react to feelings and stories. We could absolutely take advantage of this and take them back, we could run this whole show if we understood that preaching to them about moral inconsistency or empathy or ideology is never going to work, that they only respond to what they immediately see and feel. The right has been very good about supplying them with these WWE stories with heroes and villains, meanwhile the left is STILL using the same rhetoric and lecturing thinking it will make a dent.
We could change the course of this country if we all got a lot more social, a lot more emotionally intelligent, and a lot less afraid of engaging with people we've been taught to fear and hate.
I know because I was raised conservative, I know how they think and feel and I have changed a good number of people with patience and emotional engagement.
In my town you couldn’t even tell there had been a protest there minutes after.
Allegedly true of country music fans too. That Venn diagram isn’t quite a circle, but it’s close.
Death Metal fans are percieved as incredibly violent, but actually are usually super nice.......unless you give them a reason to get super violent. Then they're super violent.
But after they get done lynching you, they'll stop for coffee and tea and discuss politics and comunity news.
The march didn't go to central ave but yes there were clean up crews
Yeah fake pics.
Fuck Trump though.
They think they are better than other people. They don't see others as worthy of their consideration. “Am I the only one who is sick and tired of being told to pick up my trash, when we have plenty of janitors who are paid to do it for us?” - advisor to the President Stephen Miller
Ah, you're describing Moral licensing, and that's entirely plausible.
In this case it's "Littering is bad, but there's no trash cans here and I'm a generally good person so, just this once."
Except I suspect that "once" is really "every so often."
I always thought it was "it's just one can/bag/bottle" when its clean, "it's full of trash, one more won't make a difference"
"Can't someone else do it?" - Homer Simpson
I dont agree with leaving the trash there, but I understand it. It would have been confusing with all the trash already gathering there.
You can tell who lives there.
Realistically it was similar in the BLM protests of 2020.
While Trump & Fox were telling demented grandmas that black people were burning entire cities to the ground, the reality was very tame.
Only real disruptions came from police provoking and illegally attacking protestors.
feels relevant : https://xcancel.com/funder/status/893678995404988417
I'm in the middle of watching the Some More News episode about Stephen Miller, and it's the first thing I thought of seeing the post
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini
Whilst I believe the message on the whole, this is just clear... cherry picking, no?
No.
Tens of thousands of people and not a single scrap of litter accidentally strewn from the various people with their musical fanfare. I'm not even sure Japan is that good.
Why don't we just focus on the hard policies which are destroying people's livelihoods with provable statistics, instead of scrounging for wishful narratives focused around littering of all things
Because hard policy doesn't win elections, it doesn't own them, and of the last ten years have taught us anything; that is the new meta
Tens of thousands of people who had a clear motivation to come across as upstanding citizens, and who generally had a political leaning towards environmentalism. I can believe they didn't leave trash behind.
See, that's the kind of thing that can happen when you value community and work together. You can have significant and nice shared resources. It's not a tragedy of the commons race to the bottom you get with rugged individualists and/or selfish children who see trash on the ground and say "that's bad, the person who did that needs to clean it up and be punished" and then it sits there and rots.
And yeah there are WAY more important things to worry about than how various groups do or do not litter. But it is an illustrative example of the different priorities and values of the groups. It seems like a topic for discussion as we live in a world where some people are still somehow just finding out that this Trump character might not a be all above board.
But for something so minor why are you so insistent upon pushing it away and disregarding it? That's two different justifications now for doing so (these are cherry picked, ok maybe not but it doesn't matter).
Anyone caught throwing trash on the ground should have their voting rights suspended till after the nearest election. If somebody is so lazy and has so little regard for their local community - does anyone seriously believe they care about the whole country?
While i agree in spirit, I feel like that would quickly devolve into cops detaining and beating minorities, just to force them to drop whatever's in their hand, so they can charge them with littering and disenfranchise them.
Sounds a little too far fetched to me. Also like a USA problem. Police in Europe, while definitely not perfect, is a lot more friendly and almost never exhibits the same behaviors as American police.
I don't mean to imply anything or to accuse anyone, but to me this sounds exactly like the kind of argument someone who throws trash around would make.
(Summoned from other comment)
I don't mean to imply anything, but what sort of person wants to take away people's right to vote? :-P
I wish I'd seen this before replying to the other comment. Now it'll be two parallel discussions.
Can't really disagree with anything here. You're perfectly right to question the ethics of such a policy. It's just an idea that popped up. I'm not saying I'd implement it immediately after becoming the prime minister. Simply something to think about, like we're doing right now.
To solve this debate, I think there are two main questions we need to answer first.
Personally, I'd say that:
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