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[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 28 points 8 hours ago

3.5% participation is required for a population to reach a Tipping Point, and start a trend that leads to change. In America, that's about 12.5 million people. The last No Kings protest was about 5.5 million people, this one was around 7 million, so we're getting closer.

The thing to remember, because MAGA surely does, is that the 12.5 million doesn't all have to be out marching. The No Kings protesters represent less than half of their actual numbers. In fact, they probably represent less than 20% of their total. A LOT of sympathizers stayed home, most of them, in fact.

MAGA understands that the protesters are only a small portion of the actual resistance, and they know they are surrounded. It's time that the rest of the country recognizes that.

[-] Juice@midwest.social 13 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Seem to be a lot of people posting this so I'll just repost what I wrote elsewhere :

The 3.5% theory is extremely questionable. The first paragraph of (the BBC) article is problematic if you know like 3 things about Philippine politics.

I’ve dug deeper into the data and it is very opinionated how it defines “success” and violence/nonviolence.

I’m not a pro-violence guy, i defend liberation struggles, but work to create educational/political/cultural revolution. Also the 3.5% mobilized population would be rad AF in USAmerica.

I haven’t read the whole book the study is based on, though I was working on it for a while. But IMO it misrepresents historical fact to make a nice-sounding abstraction, and I’m not sure how people will react to its failure, which would be based on a faulty premise.

We need to be more focused on what we will do with the power that will come from mobilizing like 12 million Americans rather than hoping some members of the political class notice and decide to fix things. The actual problem is that power is kept out of the hands of workers. The thought of building that power and giving it away would be a catastrophic blow to our movements.

The political system is empowered to fix problems, but not equipped. As far as I can tell, the only people who have ever created or fixed a goddamn thing in all of history have been workers.

[-] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago

A good number of sympathizers were too busy working to stay afloat

[-] Grumpyleb@lemmus.org 11 points 7 hours ago

Crowds make a difference when they are out in numbers on a daily basis, one massive protest every month or so won't make a bit of a difference.

[-] silentjohn@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago

There are protests damn near every week... I've gone to at least 20 this year

[-] tree_frog_and_rain@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Protesting every day might be less effective without economic disruption going with it.

That's just the nature of the news cycle, we've had over one mass shooting a day this year and it's not as much news as 10 years ago when they were much less frequent.

If it's always happening, it isn't news.

All of that said, there's other ways to protest that don't need to be news. Like out front of ice buildings. When you see ice harassing folks, disrupting them, recording them etc.

[-] Grumpyleb@lemmus.org 2 points 2 hours ago

Protesting every day might be less effective without economic disruption going with it Ideally there should be a general strike, get the workforce out in force, this administration only cares about the bottom line, once the billionaires start feeling it then maybe. Unfortunately I don't think this is possible in todays America, for various reasons including size, reliance on work for health reasons, etc etc etc.

[-] AlecSadler 16 points 17 hours ago

The next national protest should proactively disappear all ICE agents.

Make ICE fear putting boots on the ground.

Make people fear joining ICE.

That's a real start.

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 hours ago
[-] 5too@lemmy.world 1 points 11 minutes ago* (last edited 11 minutes ago)

Escalation of violence tends to go in favor of the despotic regime.

Instead of making ICE disappear, make it impossible for them to disappear. Make their identities public, and keep them that way as long as they're associated with ICE. Then see what the community around them does.

[-] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 47 points 21 hours ago

I 110% guarantee you the White House is not panicking. He and his little Nazi party of buffoons have zero fears of anyone or anything getting in their way.

They think they’re above the law. And one that is above the law has no fear because he has limitless power to do with as he pleases.

[-] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 8 hours ago

That should be the point of protests. Reminding them that the government should work for the people, and that they will be held accountable for what they did. Because if you don't, no one else will

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago

I think both are kind of true. They have more power than perhaps any administration in history given how stacked the Supreme Court is and how subservient the entire GOP is to Trump and the billionaire apparatus.

That said, I DO sense a panic of how so many months have gone by and midterms are right around the corner. With Trump's approval-ratings plummeting to Jimmy Carter levels already and their lack of justifying consolidation of power while Democrats are energized — IF they don't succeed by next midterms, GOP are going to lose pretty big.

Prop 50 Yes in California is a must as well.

[-] Triasha@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

Only an absolute collapse in support for the GOP will affect them. The SCOTUS is going to rule against section 2 of the voting rights act and then southern states are going to jerrymander another 12 seats away from the Dems. That's not insurmountable, but they will need a national lead of 6% in the popular vote just to break even.

[-] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 32 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Dude what. Last presidency he got scared during the anti-abortion law protests of May 2019 and installed new fencing around the Whitehouse that are roughly twice as high.

https://apnews.com/united-states-government-f0dae0200dd945dcb868d98b1e8ff378

Then he had additional fencing and concrete barriers installed around the already huge fences during the BLM/George Floyd protests, and when one of those fences was partially pushed down (still leaving a 14 foot fence protecting the Whitehouse), he ran off and hid in a bunker.

Then he spent the next weeks telling everyone he's very brave and did not go to a bunker. While Whitehouse leakers confirmed he did.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/06/trump-is-literally-building-a-wall-around-the-white-house

He's repeatedly shown he's a scared little piss-baby, especially of protesters.

[-] chunes@lemmy.world 3 points 50 minutes ago

Trump's first term was so much wilder than people remember. It drives me nuts every day.

[-] WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Bruh those fences weren't fear, they were a publicity stunt and rile up the right... They know what they are doing and it's basically a psychological war.

They can just send a manipulated poor person to do their dirty work, including murder, without having anything to fear at all.

Trump is just a puppet to larger organized crime that's global. America is just being used as a tool in the lawless global game that is above the law.

[-] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 16 points 16 hours ago

Thewhite house panicked so hard the President of the united states posted a video of homself with a crown on shitting on the protesters. Think about that for two seconds.

[-] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 hours ago

That’s not panicking, that’s laughing and making a joke of the whole thing.

[-] reddit_sux@lemmy.world 21 points 18 hours ago

A dictator is always afraid of the people the rule over. Law is not something they fear. It is lawlessness. Protests is the way to show them a glimpse of that.

[-] WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Lawlessness is their upper hand, but when they realize their victims are willing to die or kill things change. They do have pawns that will die for them though so it's not so simple.

It's exactly like mafia and gang life on a larger scale.

Most Americans are not playing the same game as them... Most Americans are taught not to play that game... But when they start things might have hope.

[-] AlecSadler 8 points 17 hours ago

People need to accept this.

They've seen zero drop in the money they're pocketing or stealing.

They're seeing zero ramifications for their actions.

So they'll keep doing what they're doing.

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 113 points 1 day ago

Trump posting a video dropping bombs from his asshole on the protests shows that he does, in fact, care a lot about the protest so he is doing as ridiculous of a thing as he can to counteract it...

[-] ravenaspiring@sh.itjust.works 72 points 1 day ago

The day was not only nonviolent but also historic. The estimated nearly 7 million who showed up across America marked the second-largest one-day protest in U.S. history, surpassed only by a very different type of event, the first Earth Day in 1970. That was roughly 40% largest than the first “No Kings” event in June, and in talking to protesters Saturday it seemed the turnout was only boosted by the right-wing rhetoric, that anti-Trump protesters must be some kind of domestic terrorists.

...

The official White House reaction, as related to one reporter, was “Who cares?” But guess what? They clearly cared, a lot. You could see that in the week leading up to the demonstration, with the increasingly insane rhetoric and warnings about “antifa” — a tiny, unorganized sliver of young rock-throwing radicals who were nowhere in sight Saturday — that aimed to neutralize the reality that millions of everyday Americans are sick of seeing a masked secret police snatch people off the streets.

In a maneuver that North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un must have surely applauded, Trump’s Pentagon fired some artillery shells over a closed I-5 in the heart of Southern California’s anti-Trump rally as the protests were taking place — ostensibly to mark the 250th anniversary of the armed forces, but alsoas a reminder of the regime’s military might as Trump weighs invoking the Insurrection Act.

[-] ctrl_alt_esc@lemmy.ml 56 points 1 day ago

All good, but saying that antifa is a group of rock-throwing radicals is dumb at best and plays into the fascist's narrative.

[-] WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 1 points 2 hours ago

And a sign we shouldn't be fighting for America anymore, we should be fighting for something better.

[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 20 points 21 hours ago

yeah I hate this bullshit throwing around antifa like its a particular group. they tried to do the same thing with black lives matter. even funnier that anti-anti-facists want to talk about the people protesting them as being anti-american.

[-] mintiefresh@piefed.ca 61 points 1 day ago

Keep fighting the good fight America.

[-] zululove@lemmy.ml 7 points 20 hours ago

The more the better

[-] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago

Good for you, America!

[-] Hux@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 day ago

I wish these protests carried any amount of influence with this administration, but it doesn’t.

It’s all just a bunch of ideological masturbation up until the guillotines and gallows start earning some miles.

[-] NewSocialWhoDis@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

The people that oppose this administration don't want anarchy and guillotines though. They want integrity, law, order, justice, etc. The teeth of the anti-MAGA movement will have to come through at least semi-legitimate means, i.e., I think it will have to come through the authority of state governments.

And we see state governments become increasingly aggressive against this administration. These marches embolden the mayors and governors that oppose MAGA; they say that the people are with them.

[-] zbyte64@awful.systems 75 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Can we just stop policing people's acts of resistance? At this point I'm more upset at the people doing absolutely nothing other than maybe post stuff online.

[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 4 points 21 hours ago

I find it useful. My block list has grown massively. Its a good litmus test for myself on peoples whos opinions are not for me.

[-] zbyte64@awful.systems 3 points 20 hours ago

Do what you need to protect your energy, it is in short supply.

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[-] Instigate@aussie.zone 37 points 1 day ago

The important part is that the protests are carrying weight with other people who care. The protests have been getting bigger and bigger, and when someone who cares about the cause but doesn’t show up sees this it gives them more imperative to show up too next time. The larger the protests get, the more likely that it will lead to a general strike, which is what will make a very big difference. Once the billionaires and centimillionaires genuinely feel like their profits are being threatened, they’ll pull the administration’s strings.

[-] Oyml77@lemmy.today 26 points 1 day ago

Please, start the rolling out of the first guillotine and gallows. Fire the opening salvo. If you are going to shit on people doing something you consider to not be enough, step up and lead a stronger resistance rather than standing by and bitching that someone should do something.

[-] KaChilde@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago

Those people did more than you this weekend. I’m sorry that trying to inspire change amounts to masturbation for you.

When you instigate violent change with a purely positive outcome and no ground-swell behind you, we’ll make you a statue. Until then, these protests will continue.

[-] Hux@lemmy.ml 4 points 22 hours ago

I won’t assume anything on your part, but this weekend was my third No King’s this year.

I stand by my statement.

[-] AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 hours ago

LOL "it's all ideological masturbation and I've done it 3 times in 10 months, therefore I'm better than you!!!"

stop trying to use such big words to try to hide your hypocrisy.

I do agree to a point, most of the attendees of these protests are overwhelmingly neoliberals who believe we can just vote this all away, but to be honest at this point it's not about the ideologies at play. it's about ensuring the crowds are big enough so all the people who feel like they're going insane and watching the world dissolve around them know that they're not alone.

policing ideologies to say "you're not pure enough in thought to aid our cause" is extremely counterproductive, but I assume you already know that (and if the only thing you've done in the past 10 months is attend these protests that you yourself think are bullshit, I'm going to assume you don't care either).

[-] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 hours ago

"It's all just ideological masturbation, and boy is my right arm tired"

[-] wavebeam@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Do not split

[-] boaratio@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

According to the NYT, it was thousands that turned out ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[-] silence7@slrpnk.net 25 points 23 hours ago

They stopped estimating crowd sizes because it made Trump look bad

[-] NABDad@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

Seven thousand thousand.

[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 3 points 21 hours ago

Where they just counting like some suburb of some city?

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