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[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

That explains why they hate my reaction to seeing a cybertruck. I hold my thumb out horizontally, until I know I have their attention. I then rotate it to a thumbs down. The sheer amount of road rage, at having had ancient roman iconography used against them, warms the cold dead cockles of my heart.

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago

Only tidbit I have about that is the thumbs down meant you weren’t allowed to kill the person despite how the movies play it but I didn’t take latin long enough to confirm that.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

That's correct, but I suspect they either don't know that, or are the type that wouldn't see that as approval for a good fight, but would see it as the denial of their "righteous kill."

[-] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Mythologized history to serve their racist worldview:

Right, ancient Greece and Rome were actually quite diverse and the concept of “whiteness” didn’t have much meaning thousands of years ago. Race, as we know it, is a fairly recent category. But the far-right relies on this construct of Western civilization, which for them means white civilization and culture. So they craft a narrative that begins with Greece and Rome and then continues into the medieval period up through the emergence of modern Europe.

[-] 46_and_2@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

What's funny is Rome and Greece (and probably every other ancient culture) mythologized their origin history, too, due to lack of history records from that far back, or just by plain human nature. Nothing new under the sun.

Edit: I meant the more human-centric origin myths, e.g. like the Romans believing they were totally the decendants of Aeneas and the Trojans fleeing Troy's destruction.

[-] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago

No. No. They were really decended from gods and raised by wolves. /S

Honestly the best explanations for Greek and thus Roman myth is a mix of patrical worship (story from dad, become from grandpa, from great grandpa, from ancestor, from the ancient, from myth, mixed with ruling caste families becomes our mythos).

That mixed with stories about concepts war, beauty, death, getting personified for story sake but then with enough personality now the afterlife is married and has a dog because his wife is on business trips all the time.

[-] 46_and_2@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I meant the more human-centric origin myths, e.g. like the Romans believing they were totally the decendants of Aeneas and the Trojans fleeing Troy's destruction.

[-] Blubber28@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago

Unfortunately this makes sense - the original Italian and German fascists were also obsessed with it.

[-] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 days ago

I thought almost everyone had a mild obsession with Romans

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I prefer to romanticize the three kingdoms period of China.

[-] Aljernon@lemmy.today 3 points 3 days ago

Turns out the mild obsession was really with tits.

[-] drspawndisaster@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago

I mean, they're kinda neat but I don't consider them all that important to modern day life.

[-] theneverfox@pawb.social 3 points 3 days ago

I think they were evil. They kind of invented the idea of conquering other civilizations, and were not cool about it at all

The world would probably be a much better place without them

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I don't disagree with you on the evilness that is involved with pretty much all conquering imperial powers (whether it's an empire or republic backing it), but Rome didn't invent that. They made some advancements in military tactics, strategies, and logistics. But conquest was done before them.

Alexander the great had an empire that rivaled Rome's side when he died (and there are other example in recorded history of it being done earlier, like in Egypt, Gilgamesh, and many others). And even the whole "you can keep your culture as long as you join the empire" was done by Persia before Rome did it.

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago

You have a very Euro-centric view of the world.

[-] theneverfox@pawb.social 2 points 3 days ago

We're literally talking about "the West" right now... The whole damn conversation is euro-central

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Don't say that in front of the Shahansha

[-] argueswithidiots@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago
[-] milkisklim@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

I think he's piefed.social if you want to summon him and probably would get a kick out of this.

[-] argueswithidiots@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

I wish I knew how to do that. I abandoned reddit just so many others as soon as they started their API nonsense, so I'm really just here for the memes. And yes, he would enjoy it greatly.

[-] milkisklim@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

Same here, I miss it sometimes, but Voyager has a nice system for tagging folks. Looks like the sintax is [@ UserName @ host.instance (https://host.instance/u/user )] . Remove spaces

@PugJesus@piefed.social PJ sorry for the somewhat out of context, but Argues here wanted you to see the overall thread.

[-] argueswithidiots@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

Brilliant, thanks! I apologize for my incompetent manner. I use Connect only because as I fled reddit, it was probably the first Google result lol.

[-] FranklyIGiveADarn@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 days ago
[-] GeriatricGambino@lemmy.world 42 points 4 days ago

No. He's a history nerd regularly posting history nerd shit for our own enjoyment.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

He just loves Roman history, WW2 history, the space fascist future of 40k, and criticizing the past sins of socialism more than the rise of fascism while completely ignoring all sins of capitalism.

It's fine I'm sure. Just a turbolib. He believes in democracy. Probably.

[-] GeriatricGambino@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

He just loves Roman history

As I said, a history nerd.

WW2 history

Uh...what ? So still a nerd but for some reason we're making a leap between ancient history and WW2 and skipping over all the medieval history content he's posting. Sure, I guess.

the space fascist future of 40k

So a massive nerd. Painting tiny figurines under a magnifying glass and battling other nerds with measuring tape is top tier nerd shit not pining for fascism shit, although these people exist and are extra visible when they reveal themselves I've yet to meet one IRL in 26 years interacting with 40K nerds.

and criticizing the past sins of socialism more than the rise of fascism while completely ignoring all sins of capitalism. It's fine I'm sure. Just a turbolib. He believes in democracy. Probably.

So he never said or done anything warranting to insult the guy of being far right, but you imply he might be guilty of thought crime for not showing enough leftist credentials to satisfy your own personal standards. And somehow this whole gratuitous character assassination is ok because you made it quippy at the end ? Yikes.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 points 3 days ago

Fucking lol, stay gullible.

[-] markz@suppo.fi 8 points 4 days ago

No, the other part

[-] argueswithidiots@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

What they said.

[-] theredknight@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Their kindred love of lead poisoning

[-] owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca 17 points 4 days ago

This is likely one of those cases of X is Y but not all Y are X. Roman history memes can be amusing for anyone.

Being obsessed with Roman and/or WWII history is a red flag, but not a conclusive indicator (unless the obsession with WWII involves praising Nazis).

[-] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

#NotAllRomanMemes

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago

Are orgies and homo sex in style again?

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago

No just human trafficking

staning Rome has always been a fash tradition.

[-] Forester@pawb.social 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

They might be obsessed with them but they make really shitty ones that are factually inaccurate most of the time.

But just because somebody enjoys history is not a warning sign or red flag. You have to study history to learn political trends and how the world operates.

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 17 points 4 days ago

I enjoy Roman memes and in a lot of the history communities, I learn lots from others .... but the greatest thing I've ever learned from Roman history is that their legacy is a lesson to all of us of what NOT TO DO to run a civilization because if you did, it only leads to inequality, instability, that it is unsustainable and that it all eventually collapses. They were a great people but they were great because their excess was built on the subjugation of nations and enslaving entire people in order to get what they wanted. They could only succeed if they kept abusing everyone else and eventually themselves.

Their system grew and expanded when it benefited many people .... but it collapsed and failed when all that power concentrated itself into ever smaller groups of people.

Roman history is a warning .... it's not something we should try to repeat like we are now.

[-] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 days ago

They were a great people but they were great because their excess was built on the subjugation of nations and enslaving entire people in order to get what they wanted.

Not only on that though, they were great at adopting what was working the best in those subjugated nations, and whatever trade bought to them; not only practical things, but cultural and religious things as well. Just subjugating people doesn't do much unless you use whatever they have and actually somehow include them in your empire instead - you just can't hold an empire of that size together by simply trying to genocide all the different people.

Even slavery back then wasn't necessarily a forever thing, it was more of a circumstance. People regularly freed their well-served slaves, and those freed slaves could attain citizenship and all that. This doesn't make slavery good mind you, it's just that it was unlike the slavery in USA which deemed you and your future children all slaves forever, which is the type of slavery people these days think of when talking about the subject.

Now notice how much all this goes against what nazis and magas seem to want; adapting other cultures and their inventions, allowing citizenship to people from different places, freeing slaves and including them too into your nation... These racist, white-supremacist idiots know jackshit about history and understand nothing about why Rome was able to stay in power for so long.

[-] SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

Why do you think those losers always side with the Legion in Fallout New Vegas?

[-] Aljernon@lemmy.today 4 points 3 days ago

Probably the misogyny and the totalitarianism.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 7 points 4 days ago

Because fascism was literally based on imitating a deliberately misunderstood Roman Empire?

[-] KeefChief13@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Unforgivable

[-] MrSmiley@lemmy.zip 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It’s the aesthetization of politics, it serves as a recruitment tool for fascist ideology. They present art and symbols (memes) designed to evoke appealing emotions or ideas. Through repetition, the emotions and ideas associated with these symbols become fused with the individual’s identity. The fascist ideology, introduced and linked to these symbols, is more readily accepted because the individual already holds a positive association with the original symbols. It’s basically classic conditioning to transform people into fascists.

[-] Aljernon@lemmy.today 2 points 3 days ago

Reminds me of the biblical scenes from A Clockwork Orange. Some people think history is neat and the Romans had alot of history. Some people wish they could conquer Gaul and own sex slaves.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 6 points 4 days ago
[-] Paragone@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

I think that male-supremacism/mysoginy is the common-principle, underlying Roman Empire cult & the alt-right.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1369118X.2024.2445637#abstract

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[-] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Romans saw sex mainly through a lens of power and domination. They were okay with a man of higher standing penetrating a man of lower social status but if it happened the other way around, the high status man would suffer loss of his masculine honor. With a similar mindset, older men would mentor adolescent men and it was acceptable to engage in sexual acts with them (pederasty).

Its interesting because its not entirely homophobic but still a disturbing way to see the world.

The Kama Sutra was written at around this time and acknowledges same sex marriages as legitimate however, additionally, Vātsyāyana writes positively about sex workers (advising men how to engage with them respectfully) and heavily emphasizes female pleasure (with specific emphasis on female agency and consent), going as far to say it is crucial to living a fulfilling and meaningful life for both partners.

When the text was transmitted to the West they took out all that "political" stuff and focussed on sex positions.

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