No, he did not defend that guy at all. He yelled while allowing the kidnapping to continue, despite not a single one of them identifying themselves.
I agree with you but realistically, there's not much one can do against three adults with guns.
There’s plenty that can be done. You just risk getting shot. And yeah, that’s really scary, but that guy just got kidnapped. You’re not a hero for yelling at the kidnappers as they drag them away.
If we’re going to fight fascism, y’all are going to have to make peace with the fact that some of us are going to get shot.
Agreed. But I'd rather see someone making noise and yelling at them then simply letting it happen.
You must be a Democrat, if you think performance is a worthwhile action.
You must be not thinking clearly if you think it would be better for people to do nothing.
I've already said I agreed with you. But not everyone has made that connection yet. Not everyone is willing to risk their life for what they believe in yet. So if the choice is between someone filming and yelling or doing nothing then I'd prefer them to film and yell.
Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me.
It’s better than nothing, but it’s not enough.
I agree, but also this is a little more than performance. He recorded their faces very explicitly and well. They'll be ID'd at least. Some people need to be willing to actually fight, but not everyone is comfortable with that, and doing this is still helpful.
This is always the problem with journalism: what's more important, filming or fighting? Had the camera person decided otherwise we would not be watching this right now. And it's important to document these things.
On the other hand...
I'm not a big fan of people discussing which form of armed violence might be best suited in which situation. But if nobody else steps in, I - the camera person - would prefer to be the first. Declare physical presence. And who knows, others might follow suit. That's the hope, isn't it? That we fight this together? And in numbers we might not even have to resort to violence.
There is, people are just too cowardly to do it.
For 3 men with guns, you'd need a semi-auto, to be mentally ready to kill people and also ready to die.
You could be a black belt in any martial arts and 3 untrained unarmed dudes would still pose a risk.
What would help though, would be if the person filming wasn't the only one acting like this.
When they’re distracted like this, you could use an improvised blunt weapon to take out at least one of them. Then the other guy might have a chance to get away when the other two respond to that change in situation. If you can hit and run, you might both get away.
If they’re in plain clothes, and refuse to identify themselves, it is completely appropriate to treat it as an authentic kidnapping, and defend people accordingly.
Assuming that this is USA, looks like anyone can say that theyre ICE now.
They have a gun, and a taser and I assume they are using zipties.
No badge, no bodycam, no department label, no response when asked to identify.
I'm gonna laugh my ass off when somebody decides to start abducting ICE agents on their day off using the same tactics.
In this video they used handcuffs, but none of that is exclusive gear owned by government services. You can buy handcuffs if you want. That isn't identification.
Yeah I can see the handcuffs now
These plain clothed kidnappers need to be stabbed in the kidneys.
and die of sepsis
In the laaand of the Naziiiiiiii🎵🎶 And the hoooome of the depraaaaaved.🎵
I sure would love to see what’s going on without it being a shit vertical video with a huge opaque white text box taking up a third of the screen
(Not shitting on you, OP, I just hate that this is how we see important things now)
If this happens, I'm calling the police and tell them there's a kidnapping in progress and I need cops right now to stop them
The police show up an hour later and are mad you bothered them
Internet sleuþing has gone wrong before, but I don't know þat we're left wiþ many alternatives.
Can anyone ID any single one of þese fuckers?
The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
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When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
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