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[-] calliope@retrolemmy.com 88 points 3 weeks ago

FYI, this was not in the museum but was briefly available at the gift shop. As evidenced by the price tag.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/holocaust-museum-warning-signs-fascism/

[-] petersr@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

Some capitalist move to warn about late-stage capitalism?

[-] jimmy90@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

genocide survivors warning of the cause of their genocide who were rescued by other capitalists and then rescued again by liberal capitalists from the other authoritarian communists

not too bright are ya?

[-] petersr@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Nah, IQ less than 8

[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 27 points 3 weeks ago

In 2017, it was observed that Trump had ticked all but two boxes. Now that he's bent on controlling the media, it seems there's just 1 remaining. But there is still free media, so perhaps it's more like 1.5.

Some have commented that the elections are already fraudulent, but I remain skeptical of this. I'll admit that gerrymandering is a problem, but gerrymandering has always been a problem so it's not a bright-line for me. Still, I can't shake the idea that the main reason there hasn't been a fraudulent election under the 47th presidency so far is that there hasn't been an election at all yet.

Either way, you don't need every box checked to be alarmed.

[-] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It's an interesting point you raise. The media has mutated since the list was written, now encompassing anyone with an opinion and an internet connection. Where in the past the media was more centralised and therefore more easy to control totally, now it's very difficult to eradicate dissent completely - the media has become more aligned to the masses than to the elites. So a different approach is needed to get to totalitarianism.
My take is that they're already applying pressure to the new media, and it might be the last thing to buckle. Perhaps left wing content creators will be criminalised soon (NSPM-7 could be the first step, or indeed the only step, in practice to this end) and then we only have to wait until the 2028 election to be able to shout "Bingo".

[-] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 weeks ago

One popular approach is alignment of businesses and government in creating an ecosystem that is the internet for most people, like everything-apps. Musk did claim to create a WeChat-alike from X but it didn't went far.

Weird acquisitions though are increasingly more alarming. First, Musk got Twitter as a whole company, and although we didn't initially know who co-paid for it, there weren't explicit commentary on what exactly Elon would do with it, you needed to read between the lines. Recent TikTok USA purchase by Ellison though not only helped by the government, it's publicly aknowledged that it would become a propaganda tool for MAGA to affect genZ and genA.

[-] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It's an interesting point you raise. The media has mutated since the list was written, now encompassing anyone with an opinion and an internet connection. Where in the past the media was more centralised and therefore more easy to control totally, now it's very difficult to eradicate dissent completely - the media has become more aligned to the masses than to the elites. So a different approach is needed to get to totalitarianism.

And that aporoach is widespread use of disinformation.

Another key point is the ongoing attack on the autonomy of societal institutions, like universities. Timothy Snyder has written about the importance of them in On Tyranny, and Trump behaves as if Snyder's book was an instruction manual.

There is a German Nazi term that is perhaps useful to describe what's happening, it is Gleichschaltung.

[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago

It seems to me like the media is about the same as it was in 2017, as even in 2017 anyone with an opinion and an internet connection could gain throngs of followers online. The difference I see is that major news organizations have shifted to be moderately more conservative (previously ~centrist organizations are now moderately trump-approving, and previously conservative organizations are now far right, previously democrat-favouring organizations are now hedging their bets). MAGA is pressuring or threatening to pressure social media organizations to shift toward more MAGA content, but I think we're not even at the inflection point for this yet.

[-] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 2 points 3 weeks ago

Fully agree, but I wrote my comment with the context that the original post was of an exhibit from at least decades ago, not in this presidency.

[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Some have commented that the elections are already fraudulent, but I remain skeptical of this.

A lot of things that other functioning democracies consider fraud or corruption are legal in the US. So elections aren't technically fraudulent, but neither are they free or fair.

[-] aeternum 3 points 3 weeks ago

gerrymandering is illegal in a lot of places, but here we are.

[-] amorangi@lemmy.nz 4 points 3 weeks ago

Free media? Wtf? Larry Ellison's money just bought Paramount, Fox is owned by another billionaire. Colbert gets fired after strong arming by the president. I could go on, but a free media doesn't mean a media owned solely by billionaires in league with the administration.

As an outsider looking in at American media it's been horrifying for decades at the deluded propaganda rammed down the population's throat, and freely accepted.

[-] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 26 points 3 weeks ago

How DARE that museum target the Trump administration, in such a focused and deliberate manner?

[-] circledot@feddit.org 25 points 3 weeks ago

A warning to some. An instruction to others.

[-] Viiksisiippa@lemmy.ml 19 points 3 weeks ago

That’s the U.S. in a nutshell.

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 7 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah. I went to the Holocaust Museum with a Trump supporter. The cognitive dissonance was astounding.

[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 5 points 3 weeks ago

Least cool guide yet.

[-] commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Early warning signs of liberalism

[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

No. Under the liberalism → fascism model, this would be late liberalism, early fascism. It's where we are now.

[-] commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, because in the past 150 years we didn't have liberal democracies match these criteria and it being considered "business as usual".

Nationalism? That's the main way liberals distract from class and enforce unity of the people's.

Mass media control? Yeah, mass media controlled strictly by private capitalists who always spread a handful of narratives that only serve to reinforce the dominant ideology and never going against it.

Common enemyism? Just look at geopolitics for 0.001s

Rampant sexism? Women were the property of men with no voting rights for a long time under liberalism, with fierce opposition to women's suffrage.

And so on and so on. Also liberalism -> fascism model isn't real, else every country would have gone fascist already. Fascism is a tool for a specific kind of situation (economic crisis + worker militancy threatening capital existentially), but often it isn't needed and electorialism can be preserved which is the defining feature of liberal democracies. Besides, under crisis there's nothing stopping a democratic liberal democracy from committing atrocities fascists would to save itself and the system.

[-] F_State@midwest.social 3 points 3 weeks ago

Liberals are centrists (though American Democrats are more Near Right) where as Fascism is a Far Right belief system.

[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 weeks ago

They were recently forced to clarify against some hapless employee offensively saying an obvious humanist principle. "Never again means never again only for Jews."

This list feels like anti-fa to someone, and so should soon be corrected.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

These museums hold zero authority anymore.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

Just that fraudulent election left and I'm all in!

[-] CubitOom@infosec.pub 0 points 3 weeks ago
[-] F_State@midwest.social 0 points 3 weeks ago

Software experts consistently warn about how terrifying computer voting systems are and everyone else consistently ignores them.

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