Nowadays I find myself checking changelogs to see what features they've broken and what AI features I now need to disable...
I'd venture some Linux folks refuse to upgrade because of fears of compatibility issues.
The nice thing is having the choice.
This whole thing seems inaccurate. I literally never get even remotely excited about a Linux update, it’s always boring stuff that means nothing to me. I don’t Windows updates because I feel like it delivers them in a big lump and lets me install as I shutdown, which is easy. Apple hasn’t charged for updates in well over a decade.
Macos is free at this point
And you know what they say about free
Linux is free...
It's fun?
macOS does not have paid updates
The payment is you gotta buy a new one
Linux: hope nothing breaks.
Windows: hope nothing breaks.
Mac: hope nothing breaks.
I use Mint. It don't break.
Except the audio. Its always the fucking audio drivers.
Mint ftw. We need community flairs on Lemmy so I can rep my distro.
i use arch btw. it dont break btw
I honestly don't get where all those "Windows is constantly updating" memes come from. The thing updates once a month - after Patch Tuesday. You can set it in your calendar if you're the forgetful type and know exactly when to expect updates. On Linux, updates hit non-stop, not a day goes by without some packages needing an update...
Its because of how it disrespects the user. it keeps nagging you to update, then forces it at an inconvenient time and because the updates take so long in comparison.
The process is simple:
To each their own, but I wouldn't call this "disrespecting the user". And "forcing updates at an inconvenient time" is just silly, with how much leeway you're getting.
Also: maybe you're used to something much faster, but, personally, I don't find clicking "update and shutdown" when I go to sleep and then coming back to an updated PC in the morning that problematic. The longest I had to sit through the updates was 20 minutes because I wanted to apply a Feature Update.
I guess my point is: there's A LOT to bash Microsoft and Windows for. No need to invent things that aren't there.
Yeah right...come to tell this again when you DON'T want an update(because it may break something like what happened with SSDs or you just want to wait a little more than others so you get something more stable) and you need to keep postpone instead of blocking the update and then when you don't expect it "shutdown and update" thank you! Right now that i was about to close my laptop because i have to exit my damn school!
At least with a Fedora i can just choose when i need it or with debian i don't have to update often and if i must say at least with Linux i have to reboot my system only when the kernel get an update
It comes from people being unwilling to learn how Windows works or how to configure it, but being 100% on board to tinker to hell and back with Linux. So you get a lot of innaccurate info from people who think their Linux skills confer some amount of knowledge with Windows when they never took the time to learn it as well, or when they haven't used it outside of corporate controlled work machines (if they even encounter Windows that way) in half a decade.
There's an argument (which I agree with to a point) that you shouldn't have to learn how such a big paid product like Windows works in order to avoid frustrations, while it's understandable in an open source thing like Linux distros. But it ultimately boils down to a combo of "Windows bad!" and learned helplessness when it comes to Windows that people are willing to push through for Linux.
I kind of agree with you, with a caveat - I think people coming from Linux or Mac see Windows, and start poking around trying to make it do things that Linux or Mac do. And when that breaks the OS or is just not possible, they call the "Windows bad" card.
But here's the thing - I gave my 80 year old mother a Windows laptop. She uses it to check her email, read the news and watch YouTube.
It's a breeze. Everything just works, the OS updates itself automagically when she's not looking, the photos from her phone magically appear in her Photos application on the laptop (by way of OneDrive), if she needs to switch to a newer laptop, all the bookmarks and files are already there when she logs in, because of MS Account/OneDrive/Edge profile, etc.
I love Linux, I have it on my gaming PC just to stick it to MS, but I would never think of giving my mother a Linux device because I know shit would break, or get weird, or just require attention from someone who understands how sudo works. On Windows she has a regular user account (there's a separate admin account she can't remember the password for so I always know when something requires it because she calls me - it's around once a year at most), has no knowledge of anything other than "click swirly blue icon to browse funny YouTube videos or check email", and... everything just works.
Nothing stops you from apt/dnf/… install every first Tuesday of the month on Linux.
Corporate installs have constant updates, mandated by the IT department, not by the user. I can’t get through the start or end of a work day without the twirling dots waiting animation.
First two are right on, but I haven’t been charged for an actual software update on the Mac in 30 years.
IIRC, the last paid OS update for Mac was Snow Leopard around 2007-2008.
I distinctly remember seeing this comic many years ago, so it could be from around that time
I bought it... i wanted the physical disc so I could make a few hackintoshes.
It was only $29.00... I thought that was a weird price, but cheap enough that I didn't feel the need to try to pirate it. I don't think windows has been under $100 In decades.
No, it’s more like, and update is availa…. Ooooh, your MacBook is no longer supported. That’ll be $2,500 please.
So, just like Windows 11.
tbh, microsoft used to charge for updates too. You didn't get windows 7 or XP for free, did you (piracy notwithstanding)?
I’d love to know where you got OS 9 for free
OS 9 released 25 years ago. That’s technically less than 30 but I think the point stands.
Oh god
Macintosh Garden has various OS install images among a bunch of other software. There are also preconfigured installations of Mac OS 9 for Windows and macOS in Sheepshaver with integration with the host system.
QEMU is also an option for running Mac OS 9. It can run the final release of Classic Mac OS (9.2.2), unlike Sheepshaver. It has overall better software compatibility. Preinstalled versions for QEMU can be found on The Internet Archive. File transfer in and out of the emulated system is a bit more involved than with ShespShaver, though.
If you just want to play around with these systems briefly and won’t necessarily be using them on a regular basis, Infinite Mac is a really cool project to emulate them right from your browser.
I don't know.. first time I installed Fedora as a desktop experience, I was more like the windows user in this comic.
On every boot: "Oh, lets see if there are any updates! 1.2 GB, 150 packages need updating. No fucking way.". It was just a shock, and I've managed my own headless Debian system for several years at that point.
Right? I honestly don't get where all those "Windows is constantly updating" memes come from. The thing updates once a month - after Patch Tuesday. You can set it in your calendar if you're the forgetful type and know exactly when to expect updates. On Linux, updates hit non-stop, not a day goes by without some packages needing an update...
the difference is Linux isnt annoying with it, and most importantly i can keep using my system while installing the updates. also if you want updates every patch tuesday, just dont update your repos until then
Mac: oh only 1999,99 (buy a new one)
Also Windows 11 if your computer won't run it and you don't know about LTSC editions from the Mass Grave.
So many hoops to jump through just to keep using your computer... glad I'm on Linux which runs on a potato
Windows has gotten even WORSE lately. Even though I have Windows 10 set to not install or even download updates without asking, I sometimes get a pop-up saying "we are adding new features, please wait" out of nowhere 🤬
In related news, I've installed Zorin OS on my laptop and hope to one day use it on my desktop that I play pirated games on..
Speaking of, is there any way to change settings so that the login password can be just a short pin i stead of the strong-ish password demanded by default?
Since I never leave it unattended (and rarely even use it) in public I don't really need the security against in-person unauthorized use and since I mostly use my laptop for streaming, typing a password every time I start up is a hassle I'd rather avoid..
While some distros let you choose short passwords, most of them don't nowadays. However, you can still change your user's password despite to this. Just open terminal, type sudo passwd username, type your desired password and enter. This way you can even use one character passwords, you really shouldn't though.
also Linux: what will it bork this time?
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