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[-] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The Muscular Christianity movement of the mid 19th century really took issue with this. Back then church attendance was 4:1 women to men and manly men were having trouble maintaining interest because Jesus' message was "too loving and gentle" so not very manly. They started redefining Christianity according to "manly" virtues, particularly they kicked all the women out of their administrative roles in church, started building sporting complexes next to churchs and reframed the old thinking of physical vigor being a form of vanity to instead being a sign of moral and spiritual excellence.

I'm not kidding but they even changed the appearance of Jesus, commissioning art work where he was depicted with broader shoulders and a more defined chest, signalling readiness for action.

Modern toxic masculinity is a "despiritualized" adaptation of Muscular Christianity.

[-] jaybone@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 week ago

Which is kind of funny, as some would say Jews of Old Testament times were expecting their coming messiah or king to be some kind of military leader. One who might lead them against the oppression of the Romans. Maybe kind of like Moses.

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[-] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

Show me the part where Jesus says to stone all the queers. I'll wait.

[-] pupbiru@aussie.zone 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

so, as a gay man i agree with the sentiment however

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

it’s real easy to find references, but part of that is shoddy biased (or just ignorant) translations… part of it is selective interpretation (guess we can wear mixed fabric and eat pork… and what was that about the camel and the eye of the needle? i’m pretty sure it applied to billionaires)… and that’s all with the assumption that the bible wasn’t just written by a bunch of people that saw a way to make a (figurative) buck

finding a statement that supports pretty much anything you’re doing is pretty easy… this is how we got the crusades and witch trials after all, despite thou shalt not commit murder

[-] Zron@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

That’s Leviticus.

Leviticus is Old Testament. If you actually read the Bible and follow its teachings, a Christian is not supposed to be following the Old Testament. That’s why it’s the “old” testament and now there’s a New Testament that is supposed to be followed instead of “Old Testament 2: zombie boogaloo”. The Old Testament is there for context. The whole idea of the New Testament is god came down to look upon his world as one of his creations, went “this shit’s kinda fucked” and started handing out new rules to make the place a little less fucked. It’s a real shame that most Christians haven’t read the Bible and depend on old guys in strange buildings to tell them what a book says, world would probably be a lot cooler if these people could be bothered to fucking read.

“Love one another” is not a complicated line full of subtext and what-ifs. You don’t need an old dude at the front of a crowd to tell you what it means, unfortunately there’s very few actually good Christians out there so now we’re here.

Anywhere, here’s a few great lines to throw at shitty people who use the Bible as cover for being bastards:

1 Timothy 2:12

I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

This one was particularly good at convincing my Bible thumping aunt to leave me alone when I told her I was bisexual and an athiest. She started lecturing Bible verses at me and I hit her with Ye Olde “Shut up bitch”

Mathew 6:1-34

_Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. _

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[-] Dicska@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Show me the part where Jesus says the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell. I'll wait.

Show me the part where Jesus says conservatives are also people. I'll wait.

Show me the part where Jesus says you can't say fuck on the internet. I'll wait.

I could go on forever. I would love to express how utterly fucking dumb it is to base your moral compass on one book only (which prooooobably doesn't cover all areas of life, society, science, etc.), let alone one that was written more than a millenium ago, but I guess once you ignore everything else (such as scientific proof, actual observations, wellbeing of others) and only stick with whatever a select few people tell you, and believe it unconditionally, there's no point bringing up logic.

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[-] 33550336@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

I think that Jesus' meaning was "love one another unconditionally" regardless you are foreigner, woman, LGBT person, or an outlaw. Jesus was a leftist (and of course just a historical person, not a deity).

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 week ago

a historical person

That's up to debate.

[-] BillBurBaggins@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

In almost the same way that the earth being round is up for debate

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Ok, serious mode.

There's actually no mention of Jesus or the things he seemingly has done outside of religious texts. It was already ca. 150 A.D. just hints that doubtfuls should look it up in roman writings.
A roman historian (Gaius Suetonius Tranquillas) mentions records that

Because the Jews at Rome caused continuous disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus, Claudius expelled them from the city.

but no proof for that either and it's Rome.
Some historians think thus, that the workings of Jesus were just an allegory driven a bit further (Similiar to how Moses is just Gilgamesh/Atrahasis epos series remixed).

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

There’s actually no mention of Jesus or the things he seemingly has done outside of religious texts

Of the sparse selection of texts that have survived over 2000 years, there are a number of Roman histories that mention Jewish Messiahs cropping up during this period up to and around the Siege of Masada, which ended the First Jewish-Roman War.

Past that you can play the "if you excluded..." game with Greek philosophers, Roman emperors, Renaissance artists, hell you can do it with US Presidents.

Everyone from Socrates to Barack Obama is "cast into question" when you throw away the evidence you don't like.

The fact that "Christians" as a religious movement appeared at this time, and that we have an abundance of visual art, transcribed texts, and even physical structures dedicated to him just never seems to matter.

Some historians think thus, that the workings of Jesus were just an allegory

This reminds me of the endless debate surrounding whether Shakespeare was a real person. It's flogged to death, because you can casually assert "the evidence was written by liars".

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[-] Una@europe.pub 23 points 1 week ago

They will usually respond with "hate the sin not the sinner" or something like that, idk but never give good reason why being LGBTQ is a sin

[-] FishFace@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Well a lot of people professing to be Christians could do a lot better at loving LGBT people than they are doing right now, so I say take them up on that.

[-] BenVimes@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago

"A revolting bit of casuistry," as Christopher Hitchens put it. The problem this justification is that homosexuality is what people are and not what they do, and hating someone's inherent and immutable trait is the same as hating the person themselves.

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[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

According to the ai, they’re all going to hell

Using God's name in vain means to misuse or misrepresent God's name, often by invoking it for false oaths, empty promises, or inappropriately associating it with harmful actions. It emphasizes the importance of honoring God's name and not using it lightly or for wrongful purposes.

Every fundamentalist who insists they know god’s will and can inflict it on you is in violation of this commandment

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[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

And John 8 while we're at it. He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone.

[-] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

Show me where in the bible Jesus ever said to place actual laws of government preventing anything LGBTQ+ from taking place

[-] PlaidBaron@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

I prefer 'be excellent to each other' from the book of Bill and Ted.

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[-] hellfire103@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago

As far as the Bible goes, John was good. Great opening, and an overarching theme of "just be nice".

[-] EldritchFeminity 10 points 1 week ago

In the Bible, one of the people Jesus heals is the slave of a Roman soldier. In the original Latin version of the text, the word they use is for a specific type of slave, a male usually kept as a concubine or sex slave.

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If you want to be a good person (go to heaven (how selfish)), just don't be an ass to people. Especially to people you don't know.

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