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[-] BreadOven@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

10 + 7 = 17 17- 1 = 16

[-] menas@lemmy.wtf 3 points 3 hours ago

The legend said that it is how Gaussian elimination was discovered in europe

[-] nucleative@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

A dozen years ago or so there was a huge uproar about "common core" mathematics, which was a new standard being used in the USA for teaching.

It was a politicized trendy topic and even so-called-intellectuals were jumping on the train and calling it a deranged way of learning math.

I looked into it a bit, and I swear this pic pretty much sums up one of the key methods they were teaching.

Basically just tricks that a lot of people figure out to simplify problems.

[-] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 21 minutes ago

Common core is still a thing. I wish I had common core as a kid. Makes way more sense.

[-] tlmcleod@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 hours ago

That's exactly what it is. A way to help conceptualize and play with numbers. Stuff my bored ass was doing in school anyway before common core came around lol

[-] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

9 is one less than 10, and 7 is three less than 10, so combined, they're four less than 20 = 16

[-] futurefossil@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Idk I have adhd and my working memory is so poor that memorizing time tables was the only way. :/

[-] zaknenou@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 10 hours ago

I thought you give 1 from 7 to 9 so it becomes 10+6 !!

[-] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 21 minutes ago

You can do that, too.

[-] ornery_chemist@mander.xyz 4 points 14 hours ago

I mean, sure, the choice of the "nice" numbers here is eccentric, but this is essentially the way math is taught nowadays. Only, instead of making 8 in this special case, the goal is usually to make 10 + leftovers because adding to 10 is always easy.

Here's my (upper midwest) spicy mental math take: it should be big-endian and solved with backtracking for ripple carry/borrow. None of this starting-from-the-1's-place-and-successively-incorporating-higher-order-digits nonsense. Extended carry/borrow is rare, and if you start with the most significant digits and give up/get bored part way through, the intermediate answer is in the ballpark of the real answer.

[-] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 18 points 21 hours ago

Why wouldn't you take the 1 from the 7 so it is 10+6?

[-] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

This is what I go for...Just play in 10s. Alot easier IMO

[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago

NOT LIKE THAT YOU HEATHEN

[-] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

The answer is 69
420% of the time.

[-] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago
[-] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 day ago

No take one from 7 and its 10+6=16

[-] nexguy@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago

Take 7 from 7 and its 16+0 =16

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago

Take 11 from 7 and it is 20-4=16

[-] billwashere@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

This is how I think for sure.

[-] AniZaeger@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago

And here I always thought it was 1001 + 0111 = 10000.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

not even ADHD related you're just taking a route to something more readily available in your memory. that's how brains are supposed to work.

to me the detour is -1+10. whenever i see a 9 i take 1 away from the other guy and then add 10.

9 x single digit mumber works similarly; except i take away 1 and complete that to 9 by adding a number next to it.

9x7 = ?

7-1 = 6

6+? = 9

9x7 = 63

[-] Labna@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

9x7 = 70 - 7 = 63 in table of 9 too easy ! (nearly the same technic)
8x7 = 70 - 7x2 = 70 - 14 = 6 + 70 - 20 = 56 (6 from 10-4 from 14)

7x6 = 5x7 + 7 = 70/2 +7 = 35 + 7 = 42 the answer to the life, the death and all the rest (5xa = 10/2 x a= 10a/2)

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

i mentioned the 5x trick elsewhere under this post but for me for some reason doing the halfing first is easier. so to me it's a/2x10 instead.

[-] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

This is literally how common core math works.

[-] Soulg@ani.social 5 points 1 day ago

I've always done it this way and don't have adhd

[-] frezik 135 points 2 days ago

That's the sort of thing "new math" was trying to teach. Those sorts of breakdowns are exactly what the kids who were good at math were always doing, and teaching methods eventually caught up and realized they should just teach the tricks.

Then a bunch of parents who were bad at math asked "new math? How can math change?" The fact that they even asked that question showed how their math education was lacking, but they seem to have won.

[-] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 58 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Exactly. Math has historically relied on rote memory for most mental math. Kids would have to fill out their times tables, addition tables, etc until they memorized them. I still remember getting pop quizzes in elementary school that looked like this:

You only had two minutes to fill out the entire thing, which meant you only had 1.2 seconds per answer. You didn’t have time to actually calculate them. The point was that you were expected to have them memorized ahead of time instead of calculating each one.

But rote memory is laughably bad at actually teaching concepts. You may know that 12x5 is 60, but you don’t have any understanding on why, or other ways to do that same calculation without rote memory. And rote memory is only decently reliable up to ~12x12. Anything past that, and it becomes too much info to track; kids simply start forgetting answers.

The kids who were good at math (and I mean actually good at math, not just good at memorizing things) quickly devised methods to do this shit in our heads easily. Keeping track of multiple numbers in your head gets confusing. So “line them all up, add straight down, and carry 1’s” sort of falls apart if you’re doing it in your head. Especially if you’re trying to keep track of more than three or four numbers at a time.

Essentially, 127+248+30 is the same as 105+250+50, but the latter is much easier to parse in your head. But yeah, the parents (who primarily relied on rote memory) didn’t understand why the new method would be more effective, because they didn’t understand the concepts surrounding the math.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

i used to hate the times table but i definitely think it's essential to mental math. even if you vaguely remember it it will help. like knowing 42 shows up somewhere in the 7x and 6x may help you remember 6x7. or if you remember a neighbor you can just add or subtract the number once. for example if you don't remember 7x6 it definitely helps to know each neighbor (both of which are easier to me since one is a 5x and one is a square number)... so either you think about 7x5 which is 35 so you can add another 7 to it or 6x6 which is 36 so you can add another 6 to it.

Oh I agree. My point wasn’t to say that rote memory is useless. I simply wanted to point out that it’s bad at teaching concepts. By teaching the concepts first, students are better prepared for later (more complicated) math courses. Anyone can memorize that 8x8 is 64, but understanding how to arrive at that answer is just as important.

[-] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago

I'm all for the multiple paths to solutions, but they aren't even doing times tables these days. We drill it a little at home, but he struggled with just getting it memorized. I don't know why they don't drill a little. Honestly, they seem to have the kids sitting on the computer doing adaptive math most of the time.

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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Holy shit.

Is that not how “normal” people do math in their head? How do they do it?

[-] blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 5 points 23 hours ago

I have no idea how normal people do it but I do

9+7

One shy of 10+7

One shy of 17

16

[-] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

How do they do it?

I assume they just don't. For my mom at least, she absolutely will not apply mental effort to anything that doesn't strictly require it. If a mental task can be offloaded to someone or something else, she'll do that instead, every time.

[-] Ashenlux 45 points 1 day ago

Why wouldn't you just take 1 from 7, add it to 9, and make it 10 + 6? That makes a lot more sense to my brain at least.

[-] minkymunkey_7_7@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

He's a spider monkey with base 8 fingers.

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[-] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

My retarded ass: 9 is 0b1001 and 7 is 0b111, 0b1001+0b111 is 0b10000 which is 16.

Am kidding, I take 9's ten friend, sub-stract that from 7 et voilà I have 6 ones and 1 ten which is 16.

[-] NewPerspective@lemmy.world 69 points 2 days ago

Borrow 1 from the 7 leaving you 10 and 6. This is what they tried to teach in schools for awhile but adults weren't getting it. Common Core? Is that what they called it?

[-] Sc00ter@lemmy.zip 4 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

One of my wifes friends was an elemetry school teacher when common core was popular. We asked her what it was and as she was explaining it, i said, "oh, like how you do mental math?"

Im an engineer and i just assumed thats how everyone did math... apparently people just memorized everything

[-] TheMinions@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 2 days ago

As someone who learned not via Common Core, and then found out Common Core taught math how I taught myself to do mental math I was a little envious that kids would learn my “easier” method.

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[-] Akasazh@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago

This is all incorrect because 7 would inevitably cannibalize 9.

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[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 day ago

You’re so adhd you forgot that this was a whole part of your math curriculum that you just tuned out because you already knew it.

[-] Pandantic@midwest.social 3 points 1 day ago

More likely this is a person who was at school pre-2011 when common core was implemented.

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