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[-] ornery_chemist@mander.xyz 1 points 3 minutes ago

I mean, sure, the choice of the "nice" numbers here is eccentric, but this is essentially the way math is taught nowadays. Only, instead of making 8 in this special case, the goal is usually to make 10 + leftovers because adding to 10 is always easy.

Here's my (upper midwest) spicy mental math take: it should be big-endian and solved with backtracking for ripple carry/borrow. None of this starting-from-the-1's-place-and-successively-incorporating-higher-order-digits nonsense. Extended carry/borrow is rare, and if you start with the most significant digits and give up/get bored part way through, the intermediate answer is in the ballpark of the real answer.

[-] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 11 points 7 hours ago

Why wouldn't you take the 1 from the 7 so it is 10+6?

[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

NOT LIKE THAT YOU HEATHEN

[-] AniZaeger@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago

And here I always thought it was 1001 + 0111 = 10000.

[-] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

The answer is 69
420% of the time.

[-] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 hours ago

This is literally how common core math works.

[-] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 20 points 14 hours ago

No take one from 7 and its 10+6=16

[-] nexguy@lemmy.world 23 points 14 hours ago

Take 7 from 7 and its 16+0 =16

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

Take 11 from 7 and it is 20-4=16

[-] billwashere@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

This is how I think for sure.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 14 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

not even ADHD related you're just taking a route to something more readily available in your memory. that's how brains are supposed to work.

to me the detour is -1+10. whenever i see a 9 i take 1 away from the other guy and then add 10.

9 x single digit mumber works similarly; except i take away 1 and complete that to 9 by adding a number next to it.

9x7 = ?

7-1 = 6

6+? = 9

9x7 = 63

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Holy shit.

Is that not how “normal” people do math in their head? How do they do it?

[-] blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 hours ago

I have no idea how normal people do it but I do

9+7

One shy of 10+7

One shy of 17

16

[-] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

How do they do it?

I assume they just don't. For my mom at least, she absolutely will not apply mental effort to anything that doesn't strictly require it. If a mental task can be offloaded to someone or something else, she'll do that instead, every time.

[-] Soulg@ani.social 4 points 14 hours ago

I've always done it this way and don't have adhd

[-] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 16 hours ago

My retarded ass: 9 is 0b1001 and 7 is 0b111, 0b1001+0b111 is 0b10000 which is 16.

Am kidding, I take 9's ten friend, sub-stract that from 7 et voilà I have 6 ones and 1 ten which is 16.

[-] laserm@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

Me: so 9 is 10-1 so you can do 10+7=17 and take away one so 16

[-] FryHyde@lemmy.zip 2 points 14 hours ago

I think this is precisely how math is taught through Common Core now.

[-] Ashenlux 43 points 1 day ago

Why wouldn't you just take 1 from 7, add it to 9, and make it 10 + 6? That makes a lot more sense to my brain at least.

[-] groet@feddit.org 1 points 14 hours ago

Because that is the joke and why the teacher reacted that way.

Or translated into reddit: woosh

[-] minkymunkey_7_7@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

He's a spider monkey with base 8 fingers.

[-] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 day ago

Because making shit equal, be in perfect balance or even symmetric makes my dopamine go 🥳.

Finding the correct answer that way is a neat side effect too.

[-] xorollo@leminal.space 1 points 14 hours ago

Multiplying by two is a similar cognitive exercise to adding 10 in small numbers (for me) so it would really depend on which occured to me first.

[-] frezik 127 points 1 day ago

That's the sort of thing "new math" was trying to teach. Those sorts of breakdowns are exactly what the kids who were good at math were always doing, and teaching methods eventually caught up and realized they should just teach the tricks.

Then a bunch of parents who were bad at math asked "new math? How can math change?" The fact that they even asked that question showed how their math education was lacking, but they seem to have won.

[-] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 54 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Exactly. Math has historically relied on rote memory for most mental math. Kids would have to fill out their times tables, addition tables, etc until they memorized them. I still remember getting pop quizzes in elementary school that looked like this:

You only had two minutes to fill out the entire thing, which meant you only had 1.2 seconds per answer. You didn’t have time to actually calculate them. The point was that you were expected to have them memorized ahead of time instead of calculating each one.

But rote memory is laughably bad at actually teaching concepts. You may know that 12x5 is 60, but you don’t have any understanding on why, or other ways to do that same calculation without rote memory. And rote memory is only decently reliable up to ~12x12. Anything past that, and it becomes too much info to track; kids simply start forgetting answers.

The kids who were good at math (and I mean actually good at math, not just good at memorizing things) quickly devised methods to do this shit in our heads easily. Keeping track of multiple numbers in your head gets confusing. So “line them all up, add straight down, and carry 1’s” sort of falls apart if you’re doing it in your head. Especially if you’re trying to keep track of more than three or four numbers at a time.

Essentially, 127+248+30 is the same as 105+250+50, but the latter is much easier to parse in your head. But yeah, the parents (who primarily relied on rote memory) didn’t understand why the new method would be more effective, because they didn’t understand the concepts surrounding the math.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago

i used to hate the times table but i definitely think it's essential to mental math. even if you vaguely remember it it will help. like knowing 42 shows up somewhere in the 7x and 6x may help you remember 6x7. or if you remember a neighbor you can just add or subtract the number once. for example if you don't remember 7x6 it definitely helps to know each neighbor (both of which are easier to me since one is a 5x and one is a square number)... so either you think about 7x5 which is 35 so you can add another 7 to it or 6x6 which is 36 so you can add another 6 to it.

[-] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 13 hours ago

Oh I agree. My point wasn’t to say that rote memory is useless. I simply wanted to point out that it’s bad at teaching concepts. By teaching the concepts first, students are better prepared for later (more complicated) math courses. Anyone can memorize that 8x8 is 64, but understanding how to arrive at that answer is just as important.

[-] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

I'm all for the multiple paths to solutions, but they aren't even doing times tables these days. We drill it a little at home, but he struggled with just getting it memorized. I don't know why they don't drill a little. Honestly, they seem to have the kids sitting on the computer doing adaptive math most of the time.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

yeah obviously, but i thought they were supposed to teach the times table after multiplication in general anyway

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[-] baldingpudenda@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago

I was trying to explain how and why they were teaching math to a family friend and they didn't get it(multiplication stuff). I broke it down with pen and paper and they didn't get it. Simpler example, nope. Eventually I had to explain how multiplication is just repetitive addition. They responded with WHAT! and I realized why they always wore open toed shoes. I sent them a link for 5th graders.

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[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 day ago

You’re so adhd you forgot that this was a whole part of your math curriculum that you just tuned out because you already knew it.

[-] Pandantic@midwest.social 3 points 15 hours ago

More likely this is a person who was at school pre-2011 when common core was implemented.

[-] Akasazh@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago

This is all incorrect because 7 would inevitably cannibalize 9.

[-] NewPerspective@lemmy.world 67 points 1 day ago

Borrow 1 from the 7 leaving you 10 and 6. This is what they tried to teach in schools for awhile but adults weren't getting it. Common Core? Is that what they called it?

[-] Sc00ter@lemmy.zip 3 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

One of my wifes friends was an elemetry school teacher when common core was popular. We asked her what it was and as she was explaining it, i said, "oh, like how you do mental math?"

Im an engineer and i just assumed thats how everyone did math... apparently people just memorized everything

[-] TheMinions@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 1 day ago

As someone who learned not via Common Core, and then found out Common Core taught math how I taught myself to do mental math I was a little envious that kids would learn my “easier” method.

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[-] fodor@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago

Said by someone who never actually told that to a teacher, lol.

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

OPs description is literally the simplest example of the dreaded "new math" they are teaching in schools.

9+7 is the same as 9+1+6 is the same as 10+6 is 16. New math. Same as the old math.

ETA: one of the points of "new math", iirc, is essentially to teach all kids to use the methods that the kids who are "naturally gifted" at arithmetic sort of figured out on their own. So, congrats?

It's less about "changing the way we do math" and more about "teaching kids to break down problems to their simplest elements"...which is an all-around important life skill, aside from just math.

[-] RebekahWSD@lemmy.world 5 points 23 hours ago

A very good song by Tom Lehrer as well.

9+anything
10+x-1

Similarly for 8+x is 10+x-2

Multiplying by 5: mult by 10 divide by 2 Mult by 15: mult by 10, add half of that.

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[-] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 day ago

My maths teachers encouraged that kinda calculations tbh... Makes sense why I like maths

[-] Pandantic@midwest.social 1 points 15 hours ago

You are probably young then. Probably schooled post 2011 when common core started being implemented.

[-] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 hours ago
[-] Pandantic@midwest.social 1 points 3 hours ago

Maybe you got lucky then, because when I was a kid, rote memorization was the only way teachers would accept the answer. If you changed the problem to 10 + 6 or the one op posted, the teacher would tell you that you did it wrong. This is why I just decided to do this regrouping in my head and just write what the teacher wanted because I would get the right answer anyway and not get told it was wrong.

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