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[-] Xanthobilly@lemmy.world 199 points 1 week ago

Classic fascism: the enemy is both weak and strong.

[-] PixeIOrange@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Schrödingers enemy

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[-] Mk23simp 84 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I find this argument to be disingenuous because the truth is that the Republicans don't have enough control to pass an appropriation bill without Democrat consent.

Telling the true story makes the Republicans look just as bad, though. The things that the Democrats are demanding are things that are obviously good and very popular. Like not making the US healthcare system even worse.

So, why distort the truth when the truth is already in the Democrats' favor in this case?

EDIT: Since there seems to be a lot of confusion on this point, I'll try to explain the relevant US senate rules. The reason why Republicans don't have full control of the senate is because for most types of legislation, they need 60 votes to invoke cloture, forcing a vote (at which point only a simple majority is needed to pass the bill).

There are limited exceptions to that, including budget reconciliation bills that modify the current budget. The "Big Beautiful Bill" that they passed earlier was such a budget reconciliation bill, so it was only allowed to do things that modify the budget (some provisions they tried to include were struck down for not meeting that standard and therefore requiring 60 vote cloture).

The bill they are trying to pass now is an appropriations bill that actually funds the government, which is not an exception to the cloture rule. Their version of the bill is considered a "clean" continuing resolution because it continues funding with no modifications, but they have already modified the funding earlier with the BBB without getting Democrat approval, so the Democrats rightly don't approve of continuing with that budget. The Democrats want Republicans to negotiate with them like they are supposed to, and to make concessions primarily on healthcare funding (which the BBB drastically cut).

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 58 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I don't agree. It's not like a case of the Democrats holding the Republicans hostage over an extreme measure of some sort. The Republicans basically did no negotiation at all. The bill proposed was so horrendous as to force a number of Democrats to hold hard. We all know if Republicans had budge just a little bit they would have passed this thing. So no I don't agree this distorts the truth, this is the truth the Republican shut it down. It was on purpose. This was the plan.

[-] olafurp@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago

Besides, Republicans do this shit every time Dems are passing a spending bill.

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

It’s a fair point.

Prior to Trump, every time a Republican president took power they would make a little speech about how “now it’s time for unity” and look sideways across the aisle at the Democrats.

With Trump that speech was more like “our political opponents, who are subhuman, can eat my fist and die.”

[-] Mk23simp 5 points 1 week ago

The part that I find disingenuous is the argument that the Republicans control every branch of government and that's why the shutdown is their fault. The shutdown is their fault, but not for that reason.

[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

I understand your point, but you kind of argued against yourself here:

but they have already modified the funding earlier with the BBB without getting Democrat approval, so the Democrats rightly don't approve of continuing with that budget.

Essentially, Republicans used their majority to make changes without Democratic approval or negotiation. Now they've reached a point where they actually need that approval or negotiation to continue. They could easily take out the changes they made unilaterally earlier and pass this. Instead, they're playing the blame game saying "we can't pass this ourselves, we need Democrats to vote for it."

That'd be like if I broke into your house, stole your TV, then said "I just need you to sign this document saying everything in your house is as it should be" and then blamed you for not signing.

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[-] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 1 week ago

The reason why 2/3 votes are required is to force budget bill that isn't decided by just one party.

Republicans decided to create bill without including Democrats in negotiations and then expecting them to vote for it.

Like WTF?

The shutdown is 100% fault of GOP.

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

Republicans decided to create bill without including Democrats in negotiations and then expecting them to vote for it.

When you put it that way, I'm surprised the Democrats are putting up such a fight.

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[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

the republicans can pass whatever bill they want that dont need a supermajority , they are currently just shutting down to avoid the epstein files, since they have MAJORITY and a couple of dinos willing to vote on bills with the gop. dems dont get to be blame this time. plus the gop dint show up in congress too.

[-] smeg@infosec.pub 8 points 1 week ago

Only due to Senate rules that they regularly like to blow up, but in this situation have decided that Senate rules are suddenly sacrosanct. Normally, they can only use reconciliation on a budget item once per year, per Senate rules, and they used that to pass One Beautiful Bill. They could nuke the rule and then do it as often as they like, but now they're suddenly institutionalists?

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[-] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The Democrats want to

  1. Extend healthcare subsidies that were put into place during the pandemic. Allowing these to expire would raise everyone's monthly healthcare premium.

  2. Challenge new restrictions introduced in the "big, beautiful bill" which seeks to exclude able bodied "working age" individuals from Medicaid benefits. 12 million low income individuals are on track to lose coverage.

Sidebar: John Oliver has covered this but.. the way this system works is you lose coverage by default and then have to submit paperwork monthly to prove you are working. Its been shown time and time again that state governments do not have the administrative capacity to handle that amount of documentation so even if you are eligible you will likely spend most of your time uninsured and in administrative limbo.

  1. Challenge immigration enrollment restrictions that aim to prevent immigrants from accessing Medicaid benefits (everyone who works in the US [including immigrants] pay into Medicaid).

Republicans don't want to include those provisions in the budget. Instead they want to talk about them later. We all know what that means.

[-] aceshigh@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Don’t forget about the Epstein files.

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[-] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Vote in the midterms and FUCKING VOTE IN THE PRIMARIES.

Whether you like it or not, FPTP makes 3rd parties mathematically unviable in general elections.

If you want to move the Democrat party leftward (which is, politically, the only option now), the only way to do that is to vote for progressives in the primaries. They do exist. Research them in your state, lobby and volunteer for them, and get them in the primaries. Then show up for them.

If we’d been doing this instead of protest voting in the generals or abstaining, we wouldn’t be having to cope with a weakened and corporate Dem party. Shockingly, you actually do have the power to move things if you get involved.

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

With his recent declaration of war on the left and his ILLEGAL withholding of Congressionally approved funds to only blue states, it's wild to realize that we are actually experiencing a treasonous president (and party) and this cuck of a country isn't doing a fucking thing about it.

To live your whole life hearing some "home of the free, land of the brave" bullshit, just to find out that it was exactly that. Bullshit.

[-] KneeTitts@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

this cuck of a country isn’t doing a fucking thing

Think of how many have lives have been lost because of a lack of sensible gun laws, all for the lie "we need all these guns in case we have to stop a tyrannical dictator from trying to take over the country"

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

For real!

Don't forget the war on drugs. We have lost millions to overdose and related violence. It was all preventable but we chose to fuck over our fellow man to try to hurt minorities.

These two unbelievable injustices are just the tip of the iceberg.

[-] LoafedBurrito@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 week ago

It worked out PERFECTLY for the GOP.

They can refuse to swear in the new democrat Adelita Grijalv into the house for the 218th vote to release the epstein files that Johnson and Trump are ALL over.

It also gives them a new way to fire thousands of more federal "left leaning" employees.

It also gives them optics with their voter base that democrats hate america and want people to suffer, and they eat it up.

Meanwhile, the rest of the country who are based in reality know this is 100% republicans fault and a way to delay the epstien files and hurt the american public even more. At the same time calling for war on american citizens who don't bow down to the dictator.

[-] Randelung@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Their base believes in anything anyway, so no reason to try to worry about optics.

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I mean they think democrats are communists, and the green energy movement has more money and benefits than oil companies. Its not surprising so many of them think dinosaurs were killed by the flood from the noah's ark story less than 5,000 years ago and that donald trump is fighting for them.

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[-] h3ll3rsh4nks@ani.social 22 points 1 week ago

Republicans have always loved blaming the minority for their problems, nothing new there.

[-] LordCrom@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

Democrats better hold the line on this front. Let the GOP own the shutdown for the cuts they want.

[-] selkiesidhe@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago

Well when your voters are dumb as shit, then just saying yep Democrats fault they know their base will accept their word.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

We can count on the liberal media to report "both sides" of this situation as usual.

That's how we got here.

[-] TheThrillOfTime@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago

Everyday we stray closer to Idiocracy.

[-] LoafedBurrito@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago

Just watched it again earlier this week and i actually got sad/angry when they introduce Presiden Cumacho's cabinet members. It's identical to our cabinet. Except their secretary of education was better than ours.

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[-] oneser@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 week ago

Memes and reactionary comments aside, can anyone explain how the shutdown came to be given that all levels of government are currently controlled by a single party? I can't find a reliable explainer

[-] banazir@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago

As I understand it: To avoid the shutdown, Republicans needed 60 votes. They have 53 senators. Only one Democrat voted with the Republicans. The Democrats had some healthcare related demands that weren't met, so the shutdown went ahead.

[-] oneser@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago

Ok, so in reality then, the meme doesn't quite fit. Like I'll bash a dictator at any chance, but this argument doesn't hold in a discussion.

[-] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 week ago

The reason the rules were introduced is to force compromises.

They come up with their bill completely excluding Democrats from negotiations. Why would they vote for it?

BTW: Biden somehow avoided shutdowns, I wonder how...

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Biden somehow avoided shutdowns, I wonder how...

By governing in the slightest. He didn't declare himself permanent God king like these fascist fucks

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[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Republicans set this bill up to fail. Either they think they can outrun it using the media or think democrats will cave.

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[-] snooggums@piefed.world 9 points 1 week ago

There is a filinuster rule that used to let the minority party in either house stop bills by speaking for extremely long periods of time during debate. Over the years the House got rid of it and the Senate's version morphed into treating the announcement that someone would filibuster as the same thing so declaring it effectively shuts down anything that doesn't have overwhelming support.

Republicans keep it because they can obstruct even if they don't control any branch. Dems keep it because they want it for leverage to negotiate, not to obstruct. The difference is that over the last few decades Republicans will negotiate and then filibuster anyway so the tool as a whole benefits them while being a negative for Dems who can't overcome it to pass effective legislation that would help people.

The filibuster is a turd in a punch bowl. It takes a lot less effort to shit in a punch bowl than it takes to make the punch, and one party wants to shit in the punch bowl, even when they are hosting the party.

[-] TheThrillOfTime@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

They play buzzword bingo. There's no truth behind anything they say. Problem? Say that phrases "Democrats" "Joe Biden" "Hilary's Email". People don't think about this stuff logically (mostly because their education has been defunded).

[-] elbiter@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Wife beater logic: it's her fault.

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