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The ex-Fox News host railed against decades of work to diversify the all-volunteer military as he announced initiatives to effectively exclude women from combat roles and relax protections against hazing and bullying of troops

More than 800 of America’s top military leaders sat silent and showed no reaction as ex-Fox News presenter turned Pentagon boss Pete Hegseth told them he was issuing a series of new directives that will make it harder for women to serve in combat and easier for personnel to engage in hazing and bullying without repercussions during an unprecedented gathering of flag-rank officers at a Marine Corps base in Virginia on Tuesday.

The Secretary of War — a title not used by the head of the U.S. military establishment since 1947 but revived by President Donald Trump earlier this month — told the group of admirals, generals, and their senior enlisted advisers he was “ending the war on warriors” and complained that too many of their peers had been put in their roles “for the wrong reasons” including their race and gender.

Standing in front of a large American flag backdrop, he attacked by name several of the leaders’ retired peers, telling them that the department’s “compass heading” was “clear.”

“Out with the Chiarelli, the McKenzies and the Milleys and in with the Stockdales the Schwartzkopfs and the Pattons,” he said, denigrating former Army Vice Chief of Staff General Peter Chiarelli, ex-U.S. Central Command commander and Marine Corps General Kenneth McKenzie Jr, and ex-Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman and Army General Mark Milley, each of whom has been critical of Trump or his administration.

“The sooner we have the right people, the sooner we can advance the right policies,” he added.

Hegseth also groused about efforts to open up combat roles to women and initiatives to “weed out so-called toxic leaders” and blamed “foolish and reckless” politicians for having “set the wrong compass” and causing the Pentagon to lose its way.

Hegseth, an Iraq War veteran who attained the rank of Major in the Army National Guard but became a critic of the Pentagon’s efforts to open up military service to women, racial minorities and LGBT+ persons, said the War Department must “restore a ruthless, dispassionate and common sense application of standards” that are “uniform, gender neutral and high.”

He told the assembled leaders he was issuing a directive to ensure that “every designated Combat Arms” role across all branches “returns to the highest male standard only,” all but reversing a 2015 directive from then-Defense Secretary Ashton Carter to open all combat roles to women.

“If you do not meet the male level physical standards for combat positions ... it's time for a new position or a new profession,” he said. “If women can make it excellent. If not, it is what it is. If that means no women qualify for some combat jobs, so be it.”

The War Secretary also claimed — without offering evidence — that the Pentagon had lowered standards “to hit racial quotas as well” and said the revised standards he was promulgating are based on what he called the “1990 test,” which compares today’s standards to those in 1990, a time when women were barred from combat roles and LGBT+ persons were banned from serving.

“The 1990s test is simple. What were the military standards in 1990 and if they have changed, tell me why was it a necessary change based on the evolving landscape of combat, or was the change due to a softening, weakening or gender based pursuit of other priorities? 1990s seems to be as good a place to start as any,” he said.

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[-] HeartyOfGlass@piefed.social 137 points 1 week ago

"the sooner we have the right people, the sooner we can advance the right policies"

It's pronounced reich, dipshit.

[-] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 93 points 1 week ago

So the whole "recalling all the generals home for a big meeting" was just "this could have been an email" media bluster.

[-] elvith@feddit.org 28 points 1 week ago

He feared for it to get caught in a spam filter.

[-] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 21 points 1 week ago

I was worried it would be a purge or briefing for invading Greenland or some shit

[-] bobs_monkey@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

From what I gathered, it was pretty much a dog and pony show intended to show the world that our military is stronk, otherwise it wouldn't have been televised.

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[-] Mika@piefed.ca 7 points 1 week ago

Fr fr, gather everyone just to say "shave yur head" lol, what a clowns

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[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago

Further evidence that Hegseth is an incompetent, drunk windbag.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 62 points 1 week ago

To be fair they're silent because, the room was called to attention. When you're at attention, you don't clap, you stand still at attention.

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Trump gave them permission to clap if they wished. I take it as something of a good sign that none of them broke norms and joined in.

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[-] ceenote@lemmy.world 61 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That was how it was when the Trump appointed Secretary made a department-wide speech where I work. The half of the crowd that sat through the whole thing went mild. Or, at least, that's what I heard. I was in the other half.

[-] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I seem to remember the secdef from Trump 1 relieving the captain of an aircraft carrier of his command because he made public that there was a COVID outbreak on board and no accommodations were being made. It culminated with Secdef Shitheel getting on the intercom of this carrier and belittling the former captain in front of the entire crew. There's videos some of the crew took.

I don't even remember this guy's name, but I do remember that, like Hegseth, he had little military experience to speak of. Most of his career was corporate management or something.

That's what this admin loves. Worthless corpos and shitheel influencers belittling and browbeating the people who actually hold things together.

The captain was Captain Brett Crozier of the USS Theodore Roosevelt. He was fired by the acting Secretary of the Navy, Thomas ~~Moldy~~ Modly. The fallout was so bad that his candy ass got relieved a few days later, but not before the ship had an infection rate of around 14% and at least a few deaths.

I wish someone would stick all these people on a big ship, disable all communications equipment on board, tug it to Point Nemo, and just let it drift around there.

[-] thesohoriots@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Launch the Brown October

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[-] pinheadednightmare@lemmy.world 58 points 1 week ago

“The sooner we have the right people, the sooner we can advance the right policies”….. holy shit.

[-] snooggums@piefed.world 20 points 1 week ago

The right policies in the cities they plan on using to practice for war.

It just gets worse and worse the more you read about this shitshow.

[-] eatCasserole@lemmy.world 58 points 1 week ago

I'm sure more bigotry, bullying and hazing will be super helpful with that perpetual recruiting crisis.

[-] aramis87@fedia.io 35 points 1 week ago

Since they're in the process of crashing the economy, they're counting on young poor people not having much choice.

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[-] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago

In a better timeline the top brass rushed the stage & pulled Kegseth apart like a chicken.

[-] Fenrisulfir@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 week ago

Is that something you typically do to chickens where you’re from?

[-] Tuxman@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago

Only when we can’t afford a piñata

[-] cley_faye@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

When they start talking, yeah.

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[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 47 points 1 week ago

He's literally a 12 year old trying to talk tough in a CoD lobby...

[-] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 46 points 1 week ago

I don't understand why they say the minorities they fired were not capable or meritorious. I also don't understand why forced de-bearding isn't a direct violation of religious freedom for those who adhere to certain religions, since the same concept is used to fuck over women because birth control is icky. Forced shaving for photo ops style troops seems stupid anyway. Why introduce the risk of ingrown hairs, inflammation, and infection?

[-] superfes@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago

Because it disproportionately affects people with higher melanin content. And this whole shit brigade is racist trash.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago

Because in addition to being racist, sexist bigots, they’re very very stupid.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

I don’t understand why they say the minorities they fired were not capable or meritorious.

They're white nationalists. What more do you need to know?

[-] snooggums@piefed.world 12 points 1 week ago

White Christian nationalists, which is why they are denying religious exemptions since stereotypical Christian stuff is just the 'normal' way of doing things and doesn't need an exemption.

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[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 week ago

Few layers to that.

I don’t understand why they say the minorities they fired were not capable or meritorious.

Because this is a meritocracy and the reason you didn't get promoted isn't because you are grossly incompetent but because Pedro is brown. And, because you weren't fired, you are even better.

Why introduce the risk of ingrown hairs, inflammation, and infection?

There are actually very good reasons to mandate a force that is meant to be In The Field for extended periods of time shave. Setting up gas masks/PPE to work over facial hair is very possible but it slows down the process of masking up and introduces parts that need to be replaced more regularly. Similarly, lice and other "fun stuff" are very much a thing which is also why you don't rock a Fabio when you are spending weeks in the wilderness or in places where water needs to be conserved.

That said, shaving does drastically increase the risk of ingrown hairs/inflammation and (I have been told) African genetics are particularly predisposed to that. Which... is why you don't shave. You use creams like nair instead. That doesn't solve all problems but it goes a long way....

Which would make sense if the goal were actually to be a healthier more efficient force and not just to uphold whatever weird white male wank fantasy the chuds get off on.

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[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

I don't understand why they say the minorities they fired were not capable or meritorious.

Because they're racists and they can get away with saying that.

I also don't understand why forced de-bearding isn't a direct violation of religious freedom

Because they control all 3 branches of government, and the Supreme Court is pretty strongly MAGA. So, the prosecutors are owned by Trump and wouldn't touch a case like that, and a civil lawsuit would just eventually lose.

[-] DarkAri 38 points 1 week ago

We have a literal child running our military, we might honestly want to get ready for any shit China or Russia or Iran might try to pull while we have our pants down.

[-] dellish@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The children running the show are doing more damage than China or Iran could ever hope for. From an outside perspective it's actually incredible how badly things are going for the US in only 9 months.

Russia, on the other hand, seem to be part of it.

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Every good rally ends in total silence.

The comedic timing of having this song queued up and ready to triumphantly play him off stage was impeccable.

Above FAFO and "do the honorable thing and resign," I hope everyone in that audience remembers

  1. Never comply in advance
  2. Fuck you, make me
[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The German armed forces during the interwar period between WWI and WWII were pretty apolitical ... they didn't really care who was in power.

But it was filled with a bunch of professional idiots that only ever understood the world through the lens of war ... they wanted to be in war, fighting, sending people to die, doing heroic things, killing people, blowing things up ... they had a bloodlust for wanting to into battle and become the next historic Caesar or Alexander ... they wanted to be remembered as a great warrior hero that did amazing things and lived to tell everyone about it all. They wanted to become that great general, some great army leader, someone who led a great battle and led his troops to some massive epic fight.

So when WWII started and they had a leader who was willing to send them to war ... any war .. for any reason .. many of them didn't care, all they cared about was that they were going to war to play war games.

A great example was General Irwin Rommel 'The Desert Fox' ... he fought in WWI and he was highly disappointed in what happened because he didn't do much. Then he hung on to the armed forces as long as he could after the war but had to give up and become a civilian again ... and it drove him nuts. And when Germany started rearming, he was at the front of the line to reenlist and rejoin and didn't care about the politics .... he swung and joined whatever movement Nazi or otherwise in order to just get the war started. He got his big break, became a well known war celebrity and he didn't care if he were Nazi, not Nazi, or supported Hitler or those that worked against the Nazis ... all Rommel cared about was that he got to ride a tank, lead troops, blow things up, kill enemies and become famous.

German army leaders didn't really start rebelling against their leadership until later in the war when they realized that they weren't going to win.

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[-] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago

This meeting could have been a signal chat

[-] cley_faye@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

This meeting could have been skipped entirely. And doing so would have been less embarrassing for everyone.

[-] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago

What an insecure putz.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago

“The sooner we have the right people, the sooner we can advance the right policies,” he added.

WINK WINK

[-] jontree255@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

Hegseth is such an insecure piece of shit just like his boss. What a fucking colossal waste of time and money for what was essentially a YouTube rant with homoerotic undertones about “male-level performance”.

I’d be laughing more if Trump and Hegseth weren’t actively looking to do their own version of Tiananmen Square.

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[-] scripthook@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

This was definitely something that could of been sent over email.

[-] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

Its miniscule.

but I think after all those commanders getting corralled into what was essentially a coked out political campaign event. and listening to all the dumb shit that was said with 100% seriousness.

I think the chances of the Military doing a Coup against the US (Trump) Government, just rose from Zero, to nonzero.

[-] mcv@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 week ago

I agree. I know it's an unthinkable taboo. Civilian leadership has to be in charge of military leadership. But as has been pointed out many times, their loyalty is to the US and the Constitution, not any president. And the oath is to protect the US against enemies foreign and domestic. If Trump really wants to use the military against US citizens, he's putting the military in an impossible situation.

[-] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

the Military command is already aware that it's basically in a de-facto war with Russia and it will likely be with China in the next 10 years or less too. hell things with Russia could kick off for the worse any day.

and people like Kegsbreath are essentially trying to pivot the Military into fighting the Culture War, instead of fighting the real war thats starting to unfold.

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[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 6 points 1 week ago

I know it's an unthinkable taboo

IDK, we're basically seeing a more successful variant of The Business Plot rn

Who wants to step up and be Smedley Butler?

[-] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

What were the military standards in 1990 and if they have changed, tell me why was it a necessary change based on the evolving landscape of combat, or was the change due to a softening, weakening or gender based pursuit of other priorities?

I would argue that the number is boots on the ground, the actual number of troops ready to deploy is probably the most militarily significant factor in any military in history. That said, if laws changed to allow LGBT+ citizens to take part in the military, that likely increases the number of people volunteering to serve by about 10%. That seems incredibly significant to me.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago

I really, really hope that Hegseth takes his "war on beards" bullshit and tries to force the "Tier 1" / Special Mission Unit people to shave their beards and meet his grooming standards.

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[-] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 7 points 1 week ago

They so desperately wanted a standing ovation that breached military protocol but showed the deep, blind loyalty of the military to their piss-pot dictator. Their yearning is palpable.

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