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submitted 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) by harfang@slrpnk.net to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

Biggest threat for our privacy is real in Switzerland !

#EID #Switzerland #Privacy

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[-] AliSaket@mander.xyz 106 points 6 days ago

Please don't jump to conclusions. A well implemented eID can even improve privacy compared to the alternative of accessing big parts of the internet by trusting private companies to handle sensitive information like photos of physical IDs.

There is something in cryptography called Zero Knowledge Proof. With it only minimal information is exchanged and no party can tell anything about the person accessing it, i.e. the website who you are or profiling your ID, nor the verifier or issuer what you're doing.

Without knowing how the eID will be implemented, you can't just make such blanket statements. Want to know the details? It is open source and you can look up any technical details as well as the software code publicly.

[-] prism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 58 points 5 days ago

It can be implemented well but often isn't. Likely eID will force you to use an mobile app (no website or Linux app, yay) that is only available on Apple's app store or GPlay. And if you want to run a degoogled android ROM good luck with that when they force Play Integrity. Basically shoving everyone into either the Apple or Google walled garden along with the complementary spyware of both gardens and also screwing anyone who uses a non-smart phone either out of choice or circumstance.

[-] AliSaket@mander.xyz 16 points 5 days ago

That would be my biggest worry as well. Although this isn't specified yet, I assume that they would develop the software for Google/Apple. IIRC the Digitale Gesellschaft, a privacy advocacy group, has mentioned this as feedback about a year ago. I don't know what was done with that though. Other issues were included in the development plan though.

Also: With how this law is worded, no one is forced to use an eID. You can go the old fashioned way and e.g. go to the traffic office in person.

[-] robber@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 days ago

The country's official app for COVID immunity certificates or whatever they were called was available on F-Droid at the time.

[-] Lychee@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago

Zero Knowledge Proof in combination with the SOLID project would be the best situation

[-] PropaGandalf@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

exactly, and if I don't like it I won't use it. managed to live without a phone for some months so living without an eID will be possible too

[-] someacnt@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago

I thought ZKP were one of the buzzwords, guess it's something tangible and useful.

[-] JustTesting@lemmy.hogru.ch 4 points 5 days ago

It's a buzzword in crypto but has real applications outside of that

[-] sonalder@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 days ago

In most Web3 blockchains ZeroKnowledgeProof aren't proof. They often only have the succinctness of the proof and this is enough for the marketing team.

Also there is many things valuable in modern cryptography thanks to Bitcoin and other chains, blockchain and crypto are buzzwords for sure but that doesn't mean that i's 100% BS.

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 22 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

It's limited by law to official services anyway. Your online shopping platform can't ask you for E-ID verification.

E-ID is one thing we got right this (the second) time, imo.

If you're pro-privacy, better fight against the inconstitutional VDS (complaint in EGMR still pending for years now).
Digitale Gesellschaft needs donations to launch the initiative to replace it with Quick Freeze.

[-] sleen@lemmy.zip 11 points 5 days ago

It's limited by law to official services anyway

Do you think this may change in the future? Because, change in such law is what potentially makes this predatory.

Such limit to this law is the best case scenario. And definitely something I'll support, but the chance it might extend further is what holds me and others away from this.

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Unlikely. This country takes it's health data sensibility very seriously for tens of years now. Deterioration of such things would be seen as an abuse of trust by the people and the political allies. That's one thing that still mostly works here.

[-] username123@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 days ago

First, one piece: the means; Next, the second piece: the law

[-] RazzleDazzle@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 5 days ago
[-] freeman@feddit.org 4 points 4 days ago

Almost all parties that refused the first time were for it this time. It is completly differently inplemented this second time.

[-] harfang@slrpnk.net 4 points 5 days ago

I saw that. I also realized that some of them are not only supporting it, but are also working for the government on this project.

[-] Sxan@piefed.zip 13 points 6 days ago

Þat's really, really close. Do you have automatic recount triggers?

[-] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 4 points 6 days ago
[-] harfang@slrpnk.net 2 points 5 days ago
[-] SpaceScotsman@startrek.website 1 points 6 days ago

Some important context here is that Switzerland already has a national ID card system, this is an extension allowing people to use a digital version if they prefer.

I'm not saying that isn't going to be without its privacy concerns, but them narrowly voting that in is a far cry from, oh I don't know, the UK government forcing an entirely new scheme on people without a referendum.

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