549
all 29 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 105 points 11 months ago

It’s a huge undertaking. If successful, it would be one of the largest land purchases in Hawaii, behind Larry Ellison’s nearly 90,000-acre acquisition on the island of Lanai.

How fucking sad that you can buy 90k acre for personal ownership. There is no reason any one person should own that much land.

[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 64 points 11 months ago

It particularly infuriates me whenever I see someone claim that taxing billionaires would remove their incentive to participate in the economy. As though they’re going to say “if I work this year I’ll only be able to afford 40,000 acres, guess I’ll shut the company down”.

[-] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 7 points 11 months ago

Fuck those lies

[-] P00ptart@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Especially in a small island chain.

[-] ScrambledEggs@lazysoci.al 104 points 11 months ago

Buy back? Kick the billionaire out.

[-] andyburke@fedia.io 54 points 11 months ago

Sounds like a time for eminent domain.

[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago

The billionaire doesn’t even live there, he lives in Hong Kong.

[-] hayvan@feddit.nl 13 points 11 months ago

How about, just ignoring the ownership then.

[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Great way to start a war with China!

[-] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 7 points 11 months ago
[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 6 points 11 months ago

Number of times China has invaded or armed right-wing militias or factions to put a puppet in place because they nationalized a natural resource: 0.

They would certainly try to sue the US in an international court that the US doesn't recognize, but lmao.

[-] P1nkman@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

They would certainly try to sue the US in an international court that the US doesn't recognize

The US would recognize them if the US won.

[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 points 11 months ago

You would think, but the US basically left the WTO it basically controlled during Trump pt I

[-] memfree@lemmy.ml 73 points 11 months ago

For generations, Native Hawaiians have been displaced from ancestral lands, and on the island of Molokai, where one-third of the island is owned by Hong Kong-headquartered billionaire investment firm Guoco Group...

Same basic problem is on all the islands. Read the fictionalized story The Descendants (or see movie of same name).

... Land mismanagement causes other problems as well. Red dirt sediment from West Molokai’s eroded slopes runs into the ocean after a heavy rain, turning the water red with pollution that can kill coral reefs and clog fishponds.

“If our reef dies, we lose that as a source of food,” Kalipi said.

It sounds like Hawaii should institute a land use law where squatters on lands of absent landlords could claim ownership by working said land. I know they have something like that already because there was another lawsuit where developers purposely built on someone else's land, then sued the property owner for trying to 'steal' the luxury building they built by 'mistake' such that all she could argue was that they tear the whole thing down.

If successful, it would be one of the largest land purchases in Hawaii, behind Larry Ellison’s nearly 90,000-acre acquisition on the island of Lanai. Only this time, the land would be returning to its people.

The Molokai Heritage Trust is moving forward thoughtfully in its endeavor, dedicating years for discussion and research and obtaining its 501(c)(3) nonprofit status last year.

I am heartened by the last line, which is labeled as "Pakui’s Prophecy" (emphasis mine):

The heavens will fall, the high-born will fall, and the dark earth — the common people — will rise like a wave.

[-] BJ_and_the_bear@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago

I agree with what you write. I am a bit skeptical they will ever raise the $260 million asking price. More drastic measures may be required. Hopefully they will get some public support

Regardless, I wish them luck in their endeavor

P.S.

Fuck Larry Ellison

I would assume if you put land up for sale and it didn't sell for asking price for a decade, they could probably offer a lot less hopefully.

[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 66 points 11 months ago

Can't they just write a special law and annex the land? Ya know, sort of, like, how the US ~~stole~~, I mean, um, got, Hawaii in the first place?

[-] porksnort@slrpnk.net 16 points 11 months ago

Yeah, when the uber-rich write the laws in the first place, playing ‘fair’ and doing a direct purchase is a suckers move. Just take it back.

[-] MyNameIsIgglePiggle@sh.itjust.works 10 points 11 months ago

Ikr. "Hawaiians unite to give billionaire more money"

[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago

They're a giving people, the Hawaiians. A great match for taking people.

[-] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 18 points 11 months ago

Billionaire decides not to sell.

Billionaire doubles price—gets rich off the poor, again.

Shitty move, Hawaii.

[-] Witchfire@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

And the billionaires still win somehow

[-] JusticeForPorygon 7 points 11 months ago

Dole food company eyeing this

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

This is bullshit, eminent domain has been used for a lot less worthy causes. The guy’s been absent for a decade, it’s rundown, not developed, abandoned buildings, looks like a hazard to the community.

this post was submitted on 19 Sep 2025
549 points (100.0% liked)

News

38921 readers
846 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious biased sources will be removed at the mods’ discretion. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted separately but not to the post body. Sources may be checked for reliability using Wikipedia, MBFC, AdFontes, GroundNews, etc.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source. Clickbait titles may be removed.


Posts which titles don’t match the source may be removed. If the site changed their headline, we may ask you to update the post title. Clickbait titles use hyperbolic language and do not accurately describe the article content. When necessary, post titles may be edited, clearly marked with [brackets], but may never be used to editorialize or comment on the content.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials, videos, press releases, or celebrity gossip will be allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis. Mods may use discretion to pre-approve videos or press releases from highly credible sources that provide unique, newsworthy content not available or possible in another format.


7. No duplicate posts.


If an article has already been posted, it will be removed. Different articles reporting on the same subject are permitted. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners or news aggregators.


All posts must link to original article sources. You may include archival links in the post description. News aggregators such as Yahoo, Google, Hacker News, etc. should be avoided in favor of the original source link. Newswire services such as AP, Reuters, or AFP, are frequently republished and may be shared from other credible sources.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 3 years ago
MODERATORS