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Trump Voters in Coal Country Are Becoming Bernie Bros
(www.thedailybeast.com)
Too late
It's the Bernie-Trump pipeline working in reverse. Because offering real solutions to people's problems works. Who woulda fucking thunk.
There wasn't really a Bernie-Trump pipeline in the first place. There were articles about how more Bernie primary supporters backed Clinton than Clinton primary supporters backed Obama. Additionally, many people interested in Bernie were GOP to Bernie to begin with.
Bernie to Clinton info below is likely higher since it's 2 months before the comparable Obama numbers. I can't find the article I'm thinking of with a direct comparison but it had the same findings after the general iirc.
Bernie to Clinton 85% https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/12/sanders-supporters-clinton-vote-survey
Clinton to Obama 81% https://news.gallup.com/poll/109957/obama-gains-among-former-clinton-supporters.aspx
Similar info about the Bernie/clinton divide: https://acbc89.medium.com/more-sanders-voters-backed-clinton-than-her-own-supporters-backed-obama-c5dc37658fe5
There wasn't really a Bernie-Trump pipeline in the first place.
There was. Now this isn't a massive election-deciding group, but it's an interesting phenomenon that tells us a lot about the audience for progressive politics.
Direct quote from your link: "By every estimate, Obama-Trump—voters who had previously voted for Barack Obama but voted for Trump in 2016—vastly outnumber Sanders-to-Trump voters, accounting for about 14% of Trump's total vote."
The X-Trump pipeline rhetoric is never brought up outside of sanders and does not take into account sanders took supporters from the GOP to begin with. It's not shocking some people take inconsistent political action. What is shocking is that people are accepting the idea of there being a "pipeline". It's like when they write whole articles on 5 tweets and people eat it up. This is not a real concern and per your link Obama voters are more susceptible. It's not a relevant point except that exciting candidates get a certain amount of people excited regardless of what side they are on.
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It don't matter no more, boy.
It does matter. These are the same people keenly aware that their grandfathers instigated insurrections against their exploitation.
Learn your history, boy.
Our history is them voting one way and people like Mitch McConnell bring us right here while they reelect them.
History shows they are a bunch of mornic idiots and if they happen to do the right thing that’d be a nice surprise but history doesn’t paint them in a good light no matter what you their grandfathers did while raising father that did the opposite…
I think the point is that voting will no longer help them.
Wrong. We are not yet at the point that democracy has failed. That is the sort of defeatism that the fascists want you to fall for so you disengage.
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The more people turn away from trump the more effective resistance becomes. We should be encouraging this. Better late than never.
We almost had Bernie in 2016. What would the world look like if that happened?.
I'm a firm believer that the person who most changed the modern world, or at least this country, completely by accident, is Elián González. Remember him? That whole thing turned off a ton of Democratic voters in Florida. Right before the 2000 election... You know, the hanging chads one that took forever to settle?
Imagine Al Gore winning in 2000. Imagine 9/11 and the aftermath (including the Iraq war) happening under his leadership... Or not. Maybe Gore would have taken action ahead of intelligence warning that planes would be used as missiles and prevented the whole thing.
It does make me wonder if that momentum would have continued into 2008 or if the pendulum would have swung to a Republican, but I would be so damn curious to see what things would have been like if his mother made it to Florida with him.
That made a difference, but I also think It also had to do with the literal paid Brooks brothers riot organized for republicans and the Bush legal team which had 3 members who are now supreme court justices. Who cares if the people voted for gore, our supreme court says their vote is more important.
And Florida's Secretary of State doing everything she could to stop counts and hand the election to Bush. And the Supreme Court that collaborated with her to do so.
2000 was actually, incontrovertibly stolen.
Some of the guys in the actual Brooks Brothers riot are still infecting us today.
I would go out on a limb and say that due to continuity of Government, Gore’s administration would have likely been able to successfully prevent 9/11 from happening.
Though I think he would still likely end up a one-term President for whatever reason (akin to Bush Sr.) and we’d likely have gotten John McCain as president for a term before the GFC.
I made a similar claim recently. I guess we could go back as the beginning of time, imperialism, the framing of the constitution, manifest destiny, reconstruction, Nixon, Regan, etc. But Gore just felt so recent. So close. Like such an inflection point. Think of what the Supreme Court could look like. It really is just these small changes that turn the tides of history. I know tensions were high, but I think of Franz Ferdinand and how maybe things would've played out just the same if he was not assassinated, but there's this huge unexplored possibility space where things were different. Makes me sad to think people make these decisions and will never see or understand the true consequences of them. I wonder if they saw the destruction of WW1, the holocaust, WW2, the nuclear bombs, the destruction in Gaza and war in Ukraine, if they would maybe make some different choices. I know the 2000 Supreme Court wouldn't, but it's nice to think maybe someone would.
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Barbara Boxer giving the middle finger to Bernie supporters while exiting the rigged 2016 Nevada convention:
https://youtube.com/shorts/ob2oILFESog
The Boxer video was difficult to find, it seems to have been pretty thoroughly scrubbed from the internet.
But we remember, don’t we kids?
Lemmy would be full of comments about Bernie slow walking genocide and how he’s not left enough for them to participate.
Tbh, not much fudamental changes. Bernie would not have 50 progressive senators and 218 progressive representatives. Best he could do was a bunch of executive orders that will definitely get struck down by the courts, they would never let him nominate anyone that's not democratic party-approved.
I mean unless he uses the momentum to win 50 progressive senators and 218 progressive representatives in the midterms, which is unlikely given historical trends during midterms.
But hey, at least we'd have a functional court without the 3 maga appointees (well... sort of)
I'll believe it when I see it. The left is constantly huffing copium about how actually secretly everyone in the country is a good friendly person and there's really only like fourteen racists left now that everyone has seen the error of their ways. Never seems to be true
As they should have been, all along.
Does anyone feel like using "bros" is divisive? Maybe I'm old but "bros" makes me think of frat boys, not a great association. Seems like sabotage.
I love Bernie, but he needs to endorse more people for the next generation. He's not getting younger!
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Doesn’t matter. There’s 1 Bernie and he’s 84.
No one else like him exists in American politics.
Too fucking little, too fucking late.
Unless these assholes are ride or die Bernie fans til death, I’d prefer they just drop dead. Can’t just hold out hope they won’t start sucking the next dictators cock once (IF) we can right this countries course after we execute Temu Hitler and all his collaborators.
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