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I saw the whole RFK and CDC debacle, how the agency is being weaponized to be antivax, and I cannot for the life of me understand what is happening. What does RFK has to gain with stopping vacines? What does the government gains from it? It cannot be just for show political streght, is it? Just to say "ha, in your face!" and then cause huge troubles for themselves down the road? There must be something they will have right now. But what is it? Money? Contracts? Favours?

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[-] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 46 points 1 week ago

The Right hates the idea of an effective government that works for the people. They will tell you the the New Deal was a failure even though FDR was elected four times.

RFK is a useful idiot. The richest are going to get great healthcare no matter what. But if they can break people's idea that the government is there to help them, then the Right can break OSHA, laws that protect consumer rights, and anything else that keeps them from making more money.

[-] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

The right wing voters already believe OSHA is just an obstruction tog getting the job done. OSHA is the reason your climbing harness has interlocking double carabiners. Else, your job would only pay for one carabiner. Maybe.

OSHA rules aren't here to treat your job like a daycare. The rules are here because employers will fuck over their employees as close to the letter of the law as they can. No laws, no holding back.

[-] Usernameblankface@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Repeating what many have said, those rules are written in blood.

[-] whyrat@lemmy.world 42 points 1 week ago

They're working off of incorrect information & ideas. They think people will be better off not getting vaccinated. They genuinely think they're doing a good thing. They don't think we'll have resurgences of diseases at any large scale because they don't attribute the disappearance of those diseases to vaccines. They believe society will be relieved from some vaccine induced "side-effects" like increased autism (or 5G mind control... or whatever... it's hard to keep track of their nonsense).

Since they accept the above falsehoods; they don't need to "get" anything. They're as certain stopping vaccinations will help the general population as I am that it will do harm. But some idiot(s) put them in charge so they get to execute on their campaign promises.

[-] db2@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago

They genuinely think they're doing a good thing.

No they don't. Some are simply stupid, others are genuinely evil.

[-] meco03211@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

But they get validation. It's not just that they think their ideas and information is correct. They are correct and doctors and entire industries are wrong or corrupt. That makes them smarter than those eggheads that went to school for sometimes a decade and have spent further decades with their face in a microscope. After decades of education and dedicated research somehow Cletus from BFE, Dumbfuckistan and Google was able to best them intellectually.

[-] WarlockLawyer@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

And your explanation for the ones who always get the vaccines themselves but spread lies about how other people shouldn't?

[-] Delta_V@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

eugenics

if the ~~people~~ human livestock who need medical treatment to live are allowed to die, then the babies of the survivors will be cheaper to maintain because they'll need less medical treatment

[-] towerful@programming.dev 3 points 1 week ago

"God will protect us. He has sent judgement on those unworthy" also contributes. Not directly eugenics, but damn fucking close

[-] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Remember the death camps, weaponized viruss' and population control they accused the left of doing?

Turns out it was projection the entire time

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

RFK is a true believer; he actually thinks, against all evidence and logic, that vaccines are bad for your health. Trump does not give a shit about vaccines, but he offered RFK the CDC position because A) RFK was running a third-party candidacy in 2024 that could have cost him several swing states and B) anti-vaxers are a large part of the Trump coalition, but he was losing their trust after promoting the covid vaccine. Most congressional Republicans are just going along with this out if cowardice.

So, tl:dr: ending vaccines is what RFK (stupidly) believes in, Trump put him in power to return a favor/appease a portion of his base, and every other Republican is too chicken-shit to do anything about it.

[-] starlinguk@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

RFK has a business selling snake oil. All those at the root of the antivaxx movement (and iirc that's only 7 people) have something to sell.

[-] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

It's all just more of the MAGA crowds overwhelming need to "own the libs" at all costs. It's kind of like the flat earth movement. It started off as a joke perpetuated by a bunch of trolls with nothing better to do, but once it grew to a certain point a bunch of people joined in who were too stupid to understand that it wasn't supposed to be this serious. Now everyone in power is too embarrassed to try and undo any of the harm so they're all just doubling down even though they know it's all bullshit because they'd rather everyone think they were right even if it destroys society than to ever admit they might have made a mistake.

[-] sem 2 points 1 week ago

Its not just intelligence it's also emotion / trust.

Dumb people don't distrust scientists without a culture telling them they're the victims of an elite, and the strongman will save and protect them by attacking their enemies.

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 8 points 1 week ago

State sanctioned dilution of what it means for things to be true. It's not about the vaccines, it's about getting people to accept falsehoods.

[-] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

It's all about control.

If you can convince your cannon fodder to disregard their own health outcomes, you can convince them to go along with pretty much anything.

Then you just hand them their marching orders, and they comply, regardless of their personal consequences.

[-] Marshezezz 7 points 1 week ago

Follow the money trails

[-] flandish@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

under capitalism, people just sick enough and certainly scared to be sicker, will not be healthy enough to do other things that may help them realize they don’t need to be exploited. it’s certainly not the only facet of how we are corralled into larger profits for the owners but it is one example.

[-] bizarroland@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

For instance, the reason why minimum wage jobs do not have set work hours for most people is that having a constantly changing schedule that varies every single week makes it harder for people to do things that can break the cycle.

Things like, going to college or go to a trade school or participating in external events that would allow them to meet other people that could give them a leg up in the world.

Don't blame your manager or even the regional manager of the story you work for. This policy is being passed down from on high. Your manager is simply forced to do it.

Chances are they are just in the slightly more profitable portion of the cycle. Their increased paycheck comes in part from gently oppressing their co-workers in service of their masters.

[-] zlatiah@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Two possibilities...

  • RFK does have a supplement/snake oil business(?) if I recall correctly, so he does have a personal stake in "MAHA"
  • This sounds nuts but there is a possibility that he really believes what he is doing is correct, and became a useful idiot in the process

And don't forget the people within CDC who are more involved... I will never forgive Jayantha "Jay" Bhattacharya and Matthew Memoli for dismantling the NIH. Btw the motive for Bhattacharya was very clear: he was an economist who proposed a fringe theory on COVID that was widely criticized, but then doubled down and essentially became entrenched in antivax himself. Which is also why I wonder if RFK also got high on his own supply

[-] Canconda@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago

This sounds nuts but there is a possibility that he really believes what he is doing is correct, and became a useful idiot in the process

You'd have a harder time convincing me a brain wormed, road-kill eating, fried potato has the capacity for such a lie.

[-] passenger@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

My guess is Russian money and/or kompromat... For single individuals

[-] prole 3 points 1 week ago

They aren't causing trouble for themselves as they will always have access to the vaccines that they need.

[-] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

RFK is a member of The Faction, they are trying to overthrow The Director.

DO NOT SEND 001!

[-] Fyrnyx@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 1 week ago

I don't get why these kinds of questions are still asked, when it has been the Republican and particularly, Trump's mission to throw the government in disarray. He's in it all for himself and everyone is at that expense.

There is nothing that is in it for them, except dismantle everything recklessly, plunge the country into complete internal chaos and then leave any competent administration, if there's any left, to spend all of their time fixing them if it is possible. Just in time for the chance of another Republican body to come in and do it all again.

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