It's wilder when it works in the installer, but not on first boot.
I have altered the drivers, pray I do not alter them further.
Ah yes, the 'Arch Linux' experience. To be fair, your machine boots really really fast when you don't read the install guide carefully enough and fail to put a network stack on. Valuable learning opportunity.
I have yet to be brave enough to try. I'm not sure my ego can handle how bad I'll fuck it up.
To be fair, their installation page is excellent, but it does require close reading. Where I'd messed up was the "install essential packages" section, where it just says to "consider installing" stuff which is essential really - firmware, network stack, a text editor. If you're able to access the internet and adjust configuration files, then you can install everything else you need.
Their suggested disk partitioning has a gigabyte for efi, which is twice what I'd recommend, and includes a swap partition, which I would not create. A swap file is just as good, and more flexible. Otherwise yeah, if you can install Arch, you can probably do all the Linux maintenance you'll ever need to do, and it's not that difficult - practise in a VM if you want - and will make you much more skilled and confident.
So, are you trying to say it's the year of the Linux desktop?
Lemme have a seizure real quick
Regarding the title,
If you've enough distros then you must've encountered the scenario where the driver worked in installer but did not in the final installation
Lol yea, I was wondering if anyone was going to catch that, but at least then it was usually a "Why didn't you just install it‽" rather than a 6 hour marathon of patches and drivers compiled from source or some shit LMAO
I literally ran into this last night trying to install Cachyos on my old surface. I was relieved when the wireless worked in the installer and so incredibly confused when it doesn't now... I'm still trying to fix it lol.
So Linux Mint then!
I'm actually having a better time of it after switching to Bazzite. I had a bunch of strange little issues on Mint that seem to be gone after switching. I switched as a hail Mary for an issue where 3D Games would freeze randomly, and that seems to be gone too thankfully
also, your system is immutable now, so
you CAN'T break it
Give me an hour I'll see what I can do.
Yeah, two seconds in: "no, you're not supposed to do that, obviously it'll break if you do that"
Yup. Big fan of [distro]. Never had a problem running [distro]. I CHOOSE to open [distro]'s terminal because its so perfect i don't ever NEED to.
I run Ironman btw.
Fuck [distro] and its fanboys. [Distro 2] is clearly superior.
Fuck [distro], fuck [distro 2], you plebians haven't breathed until you've rolled your own Linux From Scratch
/j
This is what I think is holding back Linux adoption for end user devices. Only a handful of hardware suppliers cater for Linux directly, the rest are supported by the Linux community developing drivers where needed which will always be a cat and mouse situation.
I believe as adoption rate begins to intensify, hardware companies will take more notice and Linux adoption will increase exponentially. I think we are already beginning to see this starting.
This isn't only an issue with Linux, it's an issue within the whole technology industry. Simple things like Wi-Fi cards and the like, should be all standardized.
Hardware shouldn't be catered to any particular os.
That would be great, but then you'd also need to standardise driver api's across all operating systems for it to be seamless.
Must be a thinkpad lol
Dell surprisingly lmao
As far as I know DELLs are decent, especially latitudes.
Their corpo stuff is (incl. Latitudes). Their consumer stuff (like XPS) apparently not so much.
My current and previous laptops were/are Dell and I can count on one hand the number of hardware issues I've had with Linux (minus the Nvidia GPU but yknow. Nvidia.)
Sheeeeeeeeit. I remember when that wasn’t even the case with Windows. I’m old, though.
That's still not the case with windows for me. The headphone jack doesn't work. I did go as far as to reinstall OS from scratch.
It's not uninstalled drivers because they work for thr first 5 minutes after boot.
Getting sound to work is easier in linux than in windows for my pc. That's just uncanny to think about.
Try installing Windows on some Dell computers without the storage drivers...
See, this is why I like Linux Mint. I've gotten lazy in my old age and just want things to function.
This was my experience with Ubuntu, my beloved. :)
Ubuntu catches some well earned flak, but afaik it was the first distro to have an effortless Gui setup wizard that "just worked."
I remember using one of their ubiquitous install CD back in the mid 00s to bring an old laptop back to life, and literally changing my life.
Funnily enough, me with Alpine Linux
I threw it at my laptop and it just worked without a hitch
painfull memories. mouse worked in instaler but not once installed. always something
Debian 13.
Tried open suse, but on my laptop it was slow and loud and the battery would die almost instantly (had to make it hibernate rather than suspend if I wanted it to make it through the night).
Installed Debian 13 and it feels like a new laptop. Not sure what exactly made the difference between the two but I'm not complaining...
I get suspicious when everything just works on a laptop.
I never had anything NOT work on a laptop. I installed Linux on 5 of them.
These days, that's pleasantly true :)
15 years ago was a different story. You'd have about a 50/50 shot of your trackpad working, one in three that your WiFi would work, and if you were hoping for a working webcam, you should just forget about it.
So even in modern times when you do an install and everything mostly just works, it still feels suspiciously miraculous.
I am not a techy person. But I started using Linux in around 2007ish (might have been a little earlier). First started because of philosophical issues with open source mentality.
I bled for that philosophy, let me tell you. Nothing worked out of the box, my only friend who used Linux was an online friend, and his tech support could only help me if we happened to be online at the same time. He helped a lot, but dozens and dozens of guides later I managed to get it mostly working. Google.com/Linux used to be a thing, and it was quite helpful. After a few reversions back to Windows in the early days I got a terrible little netbook, and Wubi became a thing. It allowed you to install windows from within windows, without having to have a live CD. It worked great, but it was right back to all the same touchpad, wifi, monitor, et cetera issues. But this time I could go back to Windows and research my issue, print off the guides, and use them to troubleshoot. So much easier than asking my neighbor to use their computer, or trying to read and follow the guides from my blackberry lmao
Now? I haven't a had a single issue like that when installing a distro in 10+ years. Shit just works now. Granted, I stick to mainstream distros, or forks of mainstream distros. Craziest thing I've tried recently was Bazzite, which is basically just silver blue. I liked being on Bazzite and silver blue, but I ended up going back to regular old fedora workstation, because relying solely on flatpaks is limiting, and I (remember, not a techy person) don't understand rpm ostree lol
I have a kink for installing Linux on Macs. The only thing I ever have trouble with is wifi, particularly on my 2011 MacBook Pro.
Oh, and the trackpad gets significantly shitter, but that's just life.
I have had an insane number of issues on my AMD card (not even old, an RX 6600 XT). Every new kernel version, ROCm version, there's some new bug/crash that happens. Currently, the LTS kernel is the only stable one for me.
A list of issues I've had:
I'm still gonna be using Linux, but I've never had issues like these in windows (where amd is famous for *bad" drivers).
I threw together spare computer parts and a new hard drive, installed Bazzite, Steam, and did an entire Dark Souls 1 playthrough without issue using an xbox controller.
Waiting for things to go awry now. Kinda feels like an Ambrose Bierce story playing out.
I have barely had any of those issues in almost 20 years of linux use. The worst I remember dealibg with was cups back in the day. Certainly almost everything I've installed linux on in the last 10 years has just worked.
The only exception has been installing linux on old chrome books.
Endeavour
Fedora originally did this... and then has slowly broken along the way and I'm getting too tired to fix it. First it was Bluetooth back around February due to kernel issues, then it was my trackpad a few weeks ago (can't remember what's causing it) so I have to use USB mouse now, and now I've realized that there's no audio when I record with my camera, but I'm not sure how to troubleshoot it to figure out what drivers I'm missing.
The camera could've been broken for a while tbh, I haven't had to use it since early spring when I had a Zoom class. But since my Bluetooth broke back then I usually switched to Windows to do my Zooms...
Is this some sort of Ubuntu joke I'm too Arch to understand?
Right? Arch detects all my hardware. Its my favorite Gentoo install medium.
First time I installed Linux was maybe two years ago, and I watched a video that basically told me it's best to start with something simple and install things as you need them, so I got plain ol Ubuntu.
Well it turns out it's really hard to get basic shit working when basic shit doesn't work. I was having some crazy dual monitor problems.
I've tried Pop and Endeavor now and I'm much happier.
I had this experience with my l14 thinkpad and Fedora.
I was shocked that even the fingerprint reader worked… well like half the time, but I don’t like using it anyway.
Hint: :q!
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