I've seen what feels like a hundred posts complaining about people saying we need to support Gavin Newsome no matter what but I have yet to see someone saying we need to support Gavin Newsome no matter what.
I have absolutely seen it.
As have I, and they are sanctimonous, condescending, and tiresome in the extreme.
I personally had many people pile on me when I criticized him during the peak of his meming on Trump. But it does feel like the tide has turned against him a bit now.
They love the pointless, performative shit.
Look at what Newsom is actually doing: presiding over a state where, for the vast majority of his constituents, it's becoming unaffordable to live in while at the same time he is actively criminalizing homelessness.
Absolutely. And he vetoed a lot of great bills seeking to address many of the state’s crises.
Yeah, those posts were in response to people being completely shitty about it.
Do you need me to link to some previous discussions where there are accusations of someone being an accelerationist who prefers Trump because they criticized Newsom? Because that was just yesterday. That’s not even touching the people who flat out say ‘I am absolutely willing to sacrifice trans rights because everyone else is more important’.
I don't see it much on here, but they're everywhere on Bluesky. You can search Newsom's name and the first result will probably be someone talking shit about him with tons of comments and quote posts telling them they're just trying to get Trump to win a third term.
Feels kind of manufactured, honestly. I'm also trying to find evidence that he's a transphobic piece of shit, but it seems like he's pretty good on trans rights.
I think this post is that "sowing division" thing we've heard so much about.
He went on ~~Joe Rogan's~~ Charlie Kirk's show and said he doesn't think trans women should be in sports. Solidarity only goes one way for him.
Edit: the deleted comment under this by Madzielle is the work of a coward. Post for real and stand by your (shitty) opinion. Don't delete it immediately just so it hits my inbox and you suffer no community consequences from it.
He basically capitulated to the claims that “Democrats supporting trans rights have caused them to lose support”.
That’s not even me excusing him. It’s pointing out that he’s spineless and caves under pressure, which might be even more important than whether he supports trans rights.
Rogan would be one thing since he’s a bit independently minded it was even worse it was Charlie Kirk. No reason to give him that audience.
It's simple.
Vote for the Democratic nominee against the GOP in the general election.
If you live somewhere the Dems tend to win elections, vote in the Democratic primaries to change the party little by little.
If you live somewhere the GOP tends to win, vote in the GOP primaries to try and at least get rid of the MAGA Republicans and THEN vote for the Democratic candidate in the general election.
Gradual incrementalism is precisely what got us into this mess, so it isn’t that simple. So long as the Dems are controlled by their donors, they will never willingly let an actual leftist in. See Mamdani. Ratchet effect then ensures both parties grow ever rightward.
We need meaningful leftist opposition in power if the US is going to survive. I think transforming the DNC into that is a much more difficult task than anyone cares to admit, and the delusion that we can do it without forming a new party entirely is just bringing us closer to inevitable collapse once the capital owners have stolen everything from us.
Please, inform us plebs on how not voting for the Democratic nominee will help improve things.
If that's meant to be the DNC, okay.
If that's meant to be people who made an argument for coalition politics and not straight up forfeiting an election to the worst presidential candidate anyone could find lying around to stuff into a diaper and a suit and put behind a podium.. that's not really the same thing.
Gavin Newsom is not, at the moment, running for president. He's not sitting opposite some extreme right-winger serving as a disappointing but necessary defensive line between us and things getting much worse. He's an asshole who happens to be a Democrat and is the current governor of a state where he's actively making things worse. He, like Harris, would clearly be leaning toward the right to try to win center votes.
The reasonable strategic move to make for anyone who wants the government in the US to shift to the left is to make it clear that while his humiliating Trump is useful, he is not a viable candidate. Supporting him now would be backing a lame horse that's literally still in the stable during a time where we should be finding the healthiest, fastest horse we possibly can. That is not the same as if he were in an election right now and were the only way to prevent a Trump from getting into office.
I'm trans. I hope Newsom falls off a cliff. But if he had been running against Trump instead of Harris I would have held my nose and checked the box, because strategy isn't about throwing a fit until you get the scenario you want, it's about doing what you can with the hand you've got.
Right now what we can do is toss his ass away and draw another card from the deck before we end up being forced to play him.
There we go, that's the most complete and correct answer. High five internet friend.
Last I heard, Newsom was not currently a candidate for any election, criticize all you want.
ITT: Yet more righteous liberals extolling the virtues of not voting for the only party that can actually stand against the Fourth Reich, literally at all.
You should be sure to tell Newsom’s office he’s alienating voters with his transphobia, because for some people it’s a deal breaker. Telling people to shut up about it isn’t going to work and is also fucked.
Yes. Because Trump's transphobia pales in comparison to big bad evil Newsom? Are you for real?
This reminds me of when so many left-leaning people were tricked into not voting for Harris because things are terrible in the middle east. Yes, Biden/Harris wasn't doing much to stop the murder in Gaza. And yes, they weren't doing anything to stop aid or weapons sales to Israel.
But, did they think Trump would do better? Did anybody think Trump gives a damn about some poor brown muslims? Of course not! Everyone should have known that Trump would gleefully help to burn Gaza to the ground to make room for a new casino resort and a 200 foot golden statue of himself. At lease with Harris, she'd be under a lot of pressure to do SOMETHING to help the Palestinians. But, do you think Trump is going to be swayed by protests? Get real.
So what was the plan? What was the point of hoping that Harris would lose? Was it to teach the Dems a "lesson" so that in 4 years they would get back into office and actually help Gaza?
WTF?!? There are two GIGANTIC flaws with this "plan".
Project 2025 made it clear that if Trump won, the US would never see a free and fair election ever again. So even if the "lesson" was learned, it wouldn't matter.
Even if the Dems DID somehow win in 2028, what would they be able to do after 4 YEARS of genocide? Gaza (and possibly the West Bank) would be completely destroyed by then.
Great friggin plan, genius!!
The problem is not with Dems. It's with organizations like AIPAC, who will spend millions of dollars to unseat any Democrat who dares to suggests that we should cut off Israel. (just look what happened to Cori Bush in Missouri's 1st district). US politicians are scared shitless of these groups, and of being called anti-semites for disallowing Israel.
So, to get back to the original point ... If it does come down to Newsom and Trump/Vance in 2028, I will be sad. But I will vote Newsom, because at least I know he isn't going to declare that all trans people are sex criminals, round them up, and send them to "re-education" camps for "treatment". Or, something even worse.
That is what these fascist will do if they have the power do it. And they are doing everything they can to wear down our constitutional rights in order to do it.
So, don't be stupid. Don't vote (or non-vote) for the worst possible outcome. Because you are going to absolutely destroy people's lives. Including your own.
Yes. Because Trump's transphobia pales in comparison to big bad evil Newsom? Are you for real?
Find a place where I said that. You can’t, because you just made it up. I am a trans person living in America in fear because of how Trump’s transphobia has affected my life. I’m not going to leave the country in the next 3 years unless it’s permanently, because I might lose my passport. My access to medication is in peril. I have spoken about all these things extensively. Demanding that be the subject of a post about Gavin Newsom is ridiculous and derailing from the fact that Newsom’s transphobia is also unacceptable.
This reminds me of when so many left-leaning people were tricked into not voting for Harris because things are terrible in the middle east.
Cool story, irrelevant since I both live in a blue state and voted.
If it’s super important to have trans people not bring up Newsom’s transphobia, there is one and only one way to solve it: put pressure on him now to not abandon us.
When it's someone they don't like the discussion turns around "electability". But they always want us to get in line for a pro-establishment center-left corporate Democrat.
They keep trying to court voters who will never ever vote for them instead of the people who they claim to share values with.
R stopped with that shit and surprise surprise they got Trump in. Tell me again how we could never have gotten Bernie in or how AOC is too radical...
It's almost like if you create a platform that completely disenfranchises your voting base to try and appeal to your opponent, people won't continue to support you when you show that you no longer protect their interests.
It's always, for decades now, attempt after attempt to appeal to the "moderates" and "reach across the aisle" to get R's to flip but never are they allowed to move the needle to the left otherwise they get ousted as being "too radical", in order to pull in the gigantic swatch of the population who do not participate because they see that no one actually gives a shit about them.
It’s always, for decades now, attempt after attempt to appeal to the “moderates” and “reach across the aisle” to get R’s to flip but never are they allowed to move the needle to the left otherwise they get ousted as being “too radical”
100% entirely correct!
I'm sure one of these days conservatives will vote for the (D). We just have to keep trying to meet them in the middle for another thirty years! Let's try putting one of the Cheneys on the ballot next time.
Now whose rights are we gonna sacrifice first? I vote old people's.
We haven't even entered midterm season yet and we're arguing about Newsom's viability. The focus should be on midterms. We still have 2 years for a new star to shine, for a progressive to break through, for the DNC to maybe get a clue.
I'd rather hear discussions about who is best to face off against Collins, how can we take back some of the house seats where the margins are thinnest, where could we break in.
There will never be a perfect candidate for any office. You will always have issues you don't align on. If you think you align on everything, you're probably not looking closely enough. Vote for freedom, join the conversation and advocate for change. I have seen many politicians change their beliefs over the years, often their positions are uninformed and giving them the right information can help and assuming they know the facts helps no one.
We are all flawed. We have all made mistakes. We are all capable of change. Politicians are no less suited to making mistakes than we are.
Just so people know Gavin newsom made a comment about trans children in sports.
And political influential dems have had issues with mamdani for issues ranging from tax policies (tax rich as too ambitious) to lack of stance regarding Israel
https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-new-york-democrats-not-endorsing-zohran-mamdani-2092616
This is the info that’s missing.
Just tired of people dropping headline bombs with no story and just expecting others to follow suit on a dime . All this talk about echo chambers but we can’t possibly take the time to educate people.
Newsom also shills harder for corporations than Trump does which means Newsom has a real chance of winning. Whoops.
Newsom also shills harder for corporations than Trump does
(X) Doubt
"Everything's computer!"
Newsom sucks but when you lie it's just weird. Are you saying you prefer Trump?
I’d say this is far more accurate:
“Wow, Trump really is a patriarchally traitorous transphobic, cowardly piece of shit that either locks innocent people up in concentration camps or illegally deports them because of his unrestrained racism that has done evening he promised he would do in Project 2025.”
“We hate Trump! Why is he so evil? Why is this happening!”
“Does the mean you’ll vote blue if that who stands against a return of the same in 2028?”
“Hahahahahahahaha! No.”
I'm blue no matter who. Fuck yeah go new York Mayor (why the fuck is this getting so much attention), fuck yeah go newsome (why the fuck is this getting so much attention before the primary has even been announced? Before the midterms....)
Blue no matter who and asking again. WHERE THE FUCK are the EPSTEIN FILES? Me and my autocorrect friend 🦆 need to know.
Blue no matter who is for the general election though. That’s still over 3 years away. I’ll be here shitting on Newsom every day up until he’s a nominee in a competitive race against a fascist.
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