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submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by IndustryStandard@lemmy.world to c/yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com

When having to admit their fault the moderator started looking for arbitrary reasons to ban me. Such as not using the exact terminology of the Amnesty report. Which does not call it genocide.


The moderator is also watching user votes, and calling out people not voting with him.

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[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 days ago

PTB for sure, this is blatant bad-jacketing and their behavior in this thread is also extremely hostile.

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 days ago

@imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works @kersploosh@sh.itjust.works @InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works I'm not sure if this level of power-tripping or inter-intstance drama breaks any rules but just wanted to let you guys know that this is a thing since it's a community on your instance which was the source of the drama and bannings.

[-] karn@anarchist.nexus 36 points 1 week ago

Seeing how Goat tried to ping db0 because they voted in the thread to drag them into debate, I'm gonna go with PTB on this one.

If they wanted to prove their point, they should have given links that proved their point.

[-] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 1 week ago

Never mind that anarchists are explicitly anti-authoritarian, apparently db0 is a tankie now? Lol, yep checks out. Those twatwaffles think a "tankie" is anyone who is critical of the Dems, or of US foreign policy. OPs comments were also accurate imo regarding China's influence in Myanmar being a much stronger example of Chinese imperialism.

The libs have got some nerve getting hysterical about the Uyghurs when they obviously couldn't give two shits about their own government (and their own party) continually voting to keep supplying weapons to Israel in order to continue its genocide in Gaza. Has China been shitty and authoritarian towards the Uyghurs? Yes, no doubt. Is it a genocide of the type and scale that Israel is currently waging? Absolutely not.

PTB

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I always said it was only a matter of time before the social fascists that call MWoG their home would turn on even dbzer0. It's the classic Nazi bar, they outright fabricate info, erase context, welcome Zionists and other fascists, it was only a matter of time before they got even greedier and started attacking anarchists for being "tankies."

It's not a coincidence that they call us "roaches" or "degenerates," it's because it's a cryptofash meeting spot.

Edit: lmao, seems I pissed off the social fascist. I couldn't even engage if I wanted to interact with your Nazi bar, because PJ bans me from every comm they mod because they lost an argument in a comm they don't mod. Go fuck yourself, fascist. Keep spreading hasbara, keep tending your garden of Zionists. Palestine will be free, and there's nothing you can do to stop that.

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[-] davel@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 week ago

On top of everything else, using mod/admin privileges to reveal users’ votes is just bad form.

[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

The main reason reddit is shit is because it's so easy to manipulate votes. I'm happy most lemmy instances have public voting.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago

Reddit is easy to sockpuppet because it’s a corporation with one primary goal: MUA go up. Ad sales and user data sales. If the vote manipulation and shill posts/comments don’t hurt user engagement metrics then they don’t care.

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[-] Blaze@lemmy.zip 24 points 1 week ago

I had been avoiding !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works for around a month. I had previously unsubscribed from it as it seemed to get a bit unhinged.

I had to go back there in the last few days for a post about Piefed default defederation list.

People pointed me out that !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works doesn't moderate comments such as

If it was russia or China starving people in Gaza, tankie roach would claim that “genocide isn’t happening”, “the BIA is seeding fake reports about starvation!” and “this is the best deradicalization program in history!”.

What a bunch of lying, disgusting degenerates.

https://sh.itjust.works/comment/20140833/

I reached out to the mod, he told me to tell the hexbear people to check their own comments as well https://hexbear.net/search?q=cockroaches&type=Comments&listingType=Local&page=1&sort=New

I found one comment equating democrats to cockroaches

If the democrats start breaking the rules right back at them it's a whole new game they aren't equipped to play. They might adapt, they're cockroaches, but it could be a bridge too far. I think both sides are banking on the other side bluffing. But they themselves are bluffing.

https://hexbear.net/post/5850141/6412496

Maybe there needs to be another community to just report toxic users, with a diverse mod team, this two-way war (especially as both communities can't talk to each other due to defederation/community ban) just seems turn into a long term conflict where all parts assume the worse of the other.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That piefed Hexbear defederation post is weird. They are basically arguing that defederating from Hexbear by default is not a block.

Devs should keep away from default blocks unless it is objectively illegal or spam. Imagine if the Lemmy devs started blacklisting sh.itjustworks by default. That would cause some outrage. But they see no problem doing it the other way around

[-] Blaze@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 week ago

The question boils down to: do you consider a default defederation list to be an inevitable block, or do you consider it a preset that can be easily changed afterwards, and should as admins should review their defederation list when setting up an instance anyway?

At first people thought it could not be avoided, and were relieved to learn it could easily be changed: https://lemmy.zip/post/47192425/21066707

For the context, what the change experience looks like for an admin

This is exactly how it works. I started a PieFed instance and made the decision (during setup) to trim the defederation list down to none. Users can block on the account level.

For screenshots and more details: https://wetshav.ing/comment/92409

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

A default block was what I assumed that meant. By default it is blocked, but it possible to unblock.

The major issue is that putting them on the blacklist by default: the admins need to make a conscious decision to unblock them. Which they will probably not do unless they agree with their views or enjoy their posts.

This gives easy plausible deniability to who wants to blacklist hexbear or lemmygrad. The partiality is far stronger than on Lemmy. Where we know the devs have certain political views but they do not force them upon anyone.

[-] Blaze@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

List of Piefed instances that currently defederate hexbear:

https://piefed.fediverse.observer/list

As you can see, instances defederating hexbear are instances managed by teams which were going to do so anyway, as they already did on Lemmy. I'm still waiting for an example of an instance that defederated hexbear "by mistake".

Setting up an instance isn't trivial, assuming that admins would revise the defederation list doesn't seem realistic.

There are still a few instances that federate with hexbear, showing that the 'baked in block' is just a configuration change:

[-] flamingos@feddit.uk 6 points 1 week ago

The weirdest part of this 'one-way federation' drama is that it's entirely self-inflicted. Why even run an allowlist if you're not going to vet the instances you put on it?

Every time I see Hexbear mention .world it's to call them Nazis, why on earth did they put piefed.world in their allowlist?

[-] Blaze@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago

I don't know. Seems like now they removed them, hopefully the whole thing is now settled.

[-] Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago

Hexbear's post is weird, acting like a blocklist is the same as hardcoding a "1-way defederation" as they try to frame it. They are such scummy manipulators.

[-] karn@anarchist.nexus 7 points 1 week ago

Hexbear lying? Unheard of! Next you'll tell me they'll just make shit up in favor of their favorite red colored hellhole.

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[-] davel@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 week ago

I promise you that the very last people to reject the Atlanticist Uyghur genocide psyop—if they don’t literally take it to their grave—will be the virulently anti-tankie Lemmitors who have emotionally invested so much in it being true.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

Holy hell someone just linked the mod doing actual genocide propaganda. They are a massive Zionist.

Their posts are insane.

And two years into the genocide and they are claiming Israel is the victim of 'Arab violence'.

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

not surprising goat is a zionist in addition to running a Nazi bar comm

edit for the fash replying to me: + I'm an anarchist

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago

Not disagreeing with you here, but I recommend changing "insane" to a less ableist term, like evil.

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[-] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 week ago

You come across as an insufferable asshole in those posts.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

I did not use a single insult in all my comments.

And here you are surpassing that in a single one.

[-] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago

Yeah, there are multiple ways to be an ass.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Like starting a whole community dedicated to harassing another instance and banning anyone who calls it out.

[-] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago

Yeah, except you didn’t do that you were engaging in genocide denial.

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[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 week ago

And now Goat has banned all db0 users because we hosted the place that called him out. PTB.

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog/9028

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Maybe the next time they post about lemmy.ml’s “authoritarian” moderation, they might look in the mirror.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 6 days ago

That would require self reflection, which most crying that seem to lack

[-] Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Unironically as much as I disagree with many stances of some users on ml and your admins are a bit heavy handed at times you all come across as more reasonable than asshurts hurt turbo libs that inhabit places like SJW. Got banned from on grad for pointing out to pug Jesus anarchism isnt liberalism after I defended their point of China doing icky things in xingjiang. Smh.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

DB0 is officially a tankie server now.

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

According to them, because we don't like when liberals don't stop fascism, like we always have been. Shrug

[-] Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 week ago

YDI.

I wouldn't want a "umm akshully" genocide denier around either.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago

How do you feel about the genocide of whites in South Africa?

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[-] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 11 points 1 week ago

The concession on a technicality that genocide isn't explicitly alleged in Amnesty's report (even if it references sources that do) does not give you a free pass to then violate the rules, which you clearly did after repeated warnings.

You received a 24h ban, which imo is justified given your rules violation. You were repeatedly given chances to walk back your rule violations, only to add more.

goats pinging of db0 was imo stupid behaviour. Admins are also users and there's nothing that requires them to justify their voting behavior. Singling them out makes no sense. db0 also shouldn't have engaged them in that thread. But goat did not abuse any mod powers or anything for this callout. Stupid as it is, it's not them power tripping. Technically mentioning it is in violation of this community's rules too:

Post only about bans or other sanctions that you have received from a mod or admin.

You were not the target of the callout, nor could the callout be considered a sanction or ban. Had goat banned db0 after the callout, that would have been PTB, but db0 would have to make the post.

YDI.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

The source they refer to says it is not genocide but should be called by its actual name because it muddies te water. They proved my point.

I also just found out the mod is a massive Zionist and is still doing genocide propganda for Israel. https://lemmy.world/comment/19117021

[-] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 10 points 1 week ago

You still don't get it. goat conceded the point that the report doesn't literally alledge genocide, but "only" serious human rights abuses targeted at a specific demographic.

But goat also says that focusing in on the exact verbiage is besides the point. Serious human rights abuses are serious human rights abuses. It muddies the waters and distracts from the core problem.

Up until this point, you hadn't broken any rules. But after goat concedes the verbiage to you, he directly asks you to clarify that you do at least acknowledge the human rights abuses as alleged in the report.

You do, but immediately deflect by stating US and European imperialism is worse. Such relativist statements are against the rules, landing you the first violation. When warned and asked to condemn it regardless, you doubled down on the relativism and also denied the targeting based on ethnicity, which resulted in your 24h ban.

Any zionism or pro-Israeli propaganda is frankly irrelevant as it is entirely disconnected from the justification for your ban. I don't need to like goat or agree with anything else he said (and I don't, as already indicated), but you did violate the rules as stated and that's ultimately what matters.

It's 24 hours for a genuine rule violation, a fairly minor sanction even. You weren't banned for challenging goat, and he didn't abuse his mod powers to silence you for challenging him. Based on the rules, I would have banned you too.

YDI.

[-] Sunshine@piefed.ca 11 points 1 week ago

YDI, you should not have engaged in whatbousim, cherrypicking and then downplaying what the atrocities the uyghurs were facing.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

While the followers of that community dwnnplay israel actions in palestine

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