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[-] Redex68@lemmy.world 83 points 1 month ago

I find it interesting how every post I see on Lemmy about Fairphone always has half of the comments complaining about the lack of a head home jack, but in real life I don't know a single person that really laments it's removal. All the people I personally know are fine with Bluetooth headphones. This is just such a loud minority, it's impressive. I know that there is overlap between people that want a headphone jack and people that want a repairable phone, but still, I feel it's way over-represented in the comments.

[-] ptc075@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 month ago

Since you asked, the lack of the headphone jack is the exact reason I have not upgraded my phone. I use my phone for music in my two cars and my home gym. None of those currently have Bluetooth.

Upgrading all 3 is just a matter of money of course - throw everything I have away & buy new. I see no reason to do that.

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[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

I hated the loss of the jack until I got lightning/usbc headphones. The microphone and sound controls are so good I honestly widh my steam deck had a second USB c slot rather than a headphone jack

[-] _stranger_@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

You can get a splitter and/or dock to get there, but obviously it's not as nice as built in

https://youtu.be/BqxHwgfu6Sg

[-] UnityDevice@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 month ago

They largely brought that on themselves. I mean obviously they did by removing the jack, but I think moreso by claiming to be better than the rest of the industry - and charging a premium for that difference.

When Samsung removed the jack it was annoying, and also very hypocritical as they had made fun of Apple for that just a year before, but it was to be expected from a corporation like that. These guys promised they weren't like that, and then did the same thing.

You can imagine it like this: if you see an ad by a pop star trying to sell you some bullshit product that doesn't work you'd think "that's shitty" and move on. But if you saw the same ad, but instead of the plain old pop star it was the members of Rage Against the Machine, you'd notice that a lot more. Everything they had done before would ring hollow, and every time someone would bring them up you'd remember that they're just posers looking to make a buck off of a demographic.

And that's how I feel about this phone. Just posing as something better.

[-] Redex68@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

I can see that, that's a fair point, but I don't think it's malicious from their standpoint. I just think that when you look at their sales, they really are trying to cut down costs as much as possible while retaining their main goals of being a repairable phone with ethical materials, because in the end, if they're not profitable, they won't be making phones anymore, and then you won't have a company making repairable or ethical phones at all. Headphone jacks are a relatively easy thing to remove because realistically, very few people use them nowadays. There is a vocal minority that wants them but they really are just a minority, and catering to every single niche for a company as small as them isn't realistic.

[-] kepix@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

cause you live in a part of the world, that has already gave up. including yourself.

[-] Redex68@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

I mean, I didn't give up anything? What do I have to give up? The user experience is objectively way better with wireless earbuds. You don't have to care about a cable being tugged around, battery life is a non-issue for me. I've never ran out of battery on my headphones and modern connectivity is pretty good, I've never had them fail to connect or anything like that. The only people that have any sort of benefit from wired headphones are audiophiles, that I can assure you 95% of people are not. They will not notice a difference between the headphone jack and wireless earbuds. Even if you gave me a headphone jack, I wouldn't use it. I just do not have a reason to use one. I've been using wireless Wi-Fi headsets for my PC for a long while now, I don't even use a headphone jack on my PC. It's just way more convenient having wireless headsets.

[-] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

You don't really know the meaning of objective do you?

Look at the thread for "objective" reasons people want the jack.

[-] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago

The user experience is objectively way better with wireless earbuds

Not objectively. There are plenty of problems with Bluetooth headphones. If you don't do anything "serious" with audio it's not a problem.

But:

  • Audio quality is worse (mathematical fact)
  • Latency is high
    • So high it's impossible to make music / play beats via Bluetooth
  • Packets drop due to external interference

All of this can be solved with USBC audio but that's not wireless of course.

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[-] BenchpressMuyDebil@szmer.info 12 points 1 month ago

You have been visited by the USB-C port. This post is now protected against headphone jack jihadists

[-] spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 month ago

Give me a phone with two USB-C ports so I don't need a dongle when I wire up to my USB-C headphones and battery bank

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[-] kunaltyagi@programming.dev 11 points 1 month ago

I still use a wired headphone.

You can't beat the battery life of Infinity. Go non stop for a complete day and even or you forgot to charge, keep using the next day without any downtime.

For me, this is just one less thing to worry about.

Plus, I can use mine on flights instead of their sorry excuse of electronic waste.

[-] Lazylazycat@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

My wireless headphone batteries last weeks and I can use them on planes?... Unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean.

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[-] thejoker954@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

I just want the option. Sure I use bluetooth 98% of the time, but when I'm in a car I'd rather hook in through the jack than the tooth. And when I'm out hiking I also like the jack option so I don't have to worry about my blutooth battery dying, bluetooth draining my phone faster, loosing an earbud in the leaves and so on.

[-] Redex68@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I mean, I get that. It's just that I'm triggered by the amount of people that constantly comment on every thread raging about how dare they not include a headphone jack. It's insane how loud this minority is when in real life very few people actually care about it.

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[-] polderprutser@feddit.nl 4 points 1 month ago

I absolutely hate wired headphones. It always get tangled, breaks or otherwise gets fucked up. I now have an Audeze Maxwell headphone and as a backup to their dongle, The LDAC bluetoooth codec combined with Qobuz Hifi sound is perfect for me.

Never missed the 3,5mm port.

The only thing in not loving is the planned obsolecense of most battery Bluetooth headsets.

(I do recognise and respect others for wanting the 3,5mm port, of course. To each their own preferred way of strangling themselves when listening to audio I guess)

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[-] kopasz7@sh.itjust.works 56 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I love that they finally listened and added back the jack!

[-] benni@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Is this ironic or did they actually? I kind find any source saying they did.

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[-] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Not looking for a new phone for a few more years from now. But when I do I really hope that this phone will be available with a better camera and that Linux mobile options will be mature as well.

[-] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The fairphone 5 actually did extremely well if you look at MKBHD's camera competition in 2024. If you don't care about having very over-saturated, over-sharpened, images that pop on social media, then it is actually very competitive (except for with the pixel beating everyone). Miles better than a HMD global or Samsung A-series camera. It looks better than the Samsung S series and daylight iPhone in many shots.

I think the 6 has a similar camera. It's never going to beat a DSLR, but it isn't meant to.

[-] sasquatch7704@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago

As a Fairphone 5 owner, 6 seams like a downgrade to me, with it's USB 2. I don't care about whatever refresh rate they have, USB alt mode is way more important to me, also dropping audio jack was bad enough already.

[-] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Well, the audio problem is not going to be worse with 2.0. USB 2.0 can deliver 480Mbps. Audio data rates are in Kbps. Even at 192kHz, 24 bui studio recordings it is only 4.6Mbps. Stereo audio is easy from a digital perspective. Also, USB 2.0 is MUCH less susceptible to bad hardware design, bad cables and dongles, and bad shielding. A single twisted pair at low speeds and minimal negotiation is much simpler and almost never drops. In a joystick design I did, I had a 20cm long untwisted pair in testing and it never dropped at all.

USB 3.0+ (and especially external display capabilities) is an order of magnitude more noise sensitive, impedance variation limited, and susceptible to bad design. If you use a non-twisted cable, it won't even negotiate USB 3.0 and will only work with 2.0.

That being said, USB 3.0+ for large file transfers and an external monitor desktop mode would be so much better, but I guess not many people use those.

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[-] Chimrod@jlai.lu 27 points 1 month ago

The value of the fp is the refurbished market. All the component can be replaced, and the system will be maintained for years by the os.

I'm happy to see a new one in the market, because it means I will be able to upgrade my fp4 for cheaper now! ๐Ÿ˜

[-] lnxtx@feddit.nl 24 points 1 month ago
[-] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 23 points 1 month ago

Is this a real complain or I'm too obtuse to understand this as a running joke?

I mean there have been usb c to 3.5 for quite a while now.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This is a real complaint, and for me personally, it's a complete dealbreaker.

There have been converters, but I don't want to choose whether I want to charge my phone or listen to music (ยฟpor quรฉ no los dos?, i.e. "why not both?"). I also don't want to add up lines of dongles for something as primitive and actively used as a headphone jack.

3,5mm jack doesn't take much space and is used by many people, so why remove it?

For regular companies, the answer is clear: to sell you wireless devices often produced by the same companies, costing more.

But for Fairphone, a "fair" company that always shipped their phones with it, this seems like a betrayal. Failing to mention this giant point of concern is not great for a review article, either.

[-] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago

Itโ€™s a real complaint to an extent; The real issue is that the jack itself isnโ€™t enough, to be worth anything it needs a good DAC behind it and there have only been a handful of phones ever that have had that. So the jack complaint itself is mostly a meme as yeah, the USBC splitter option would sound just as good as most jacks built in.

On devices that really care they use the 6mm jack anyway.

[-] Ross_audio@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Real complaint.

[-] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 month ago

yeah so? If you need to regularly use one of those then that is a good argument for having it in the device itself

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[-] ozoned@piefed.social 21 points 1 month ago

$600 I'd go for it... $900 in the US... :-( can't justify it. I'll keep watching closely though. I so want one of these. As well as a Framework laptop, in the future.

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 5 points 1 month ago

900 as a flagship price, for mid tier phone, not worth it.

[-] whaleross@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

Article is paywalled for me

[-] Broadfern@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago
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[-] RedStrider@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

these phones seem pretty intriguing to me with their focus on repairability but i genuinely don't see the point of they don't come with an audio jack

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

Lol tariffs singing their magic tune for Trumpistan?,

[-] wry@piefed.zip 6 points 1 month ago

We are required to sing doot doot doot here, by law.

[-] ctry21@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 month ago

I'm very tempted to get one, at least once there's a lineage build for it, since it will let me finally degoogle completely. Currently on an S24 and even with ADB it's still a nightmare with the phone constantly telling me there's an "issue" with my google account (which doesn't exist anymore) and google services like gemini reinstalling after updates.

[-] cabbage@piefed.social 25 points 1 month ago

/e/OS is a pretty good de-Googled alternative, fully supported. :)

[-] zipping1039@piefed.social 15 points 1 month ago

And based on lineage!

[-] ctry21@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago

I might try it out then. I've heard mixed things on e, something about security patches coming months later than other ROMs, but I see murena claim that they are in line with most android manufacturers, just not as quick as hardened ROMs like graphene. Maybe I'll see this week about swapping over.

[-] cabbage@piefed.social 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

A little rant about that, sorry in advance:

The Graphene team seems very busy trash talking /e/OS and Fairphone on social media (at least Mastodon) for not being secure enough.

Their criticism boils down to how nothing except GrapheneOS on a Pixel phone can ever be "secure enough", but they are weirdly aggressive and insistant about it targetting /e/ specifically.

I used to care when I saw their posts as of course I want my phone to be reasonably safe, but the more I looked at it the more it boled down to bullshit.

Furthermore:

  • They insist one should buy a Pixel phone produced by Google - avoiding Google is my #1 priority from the start. Clearly my values don't overlap with theirs
  • They pretend like /e/ is super dangerous because non-0-day exploits can get patched later. Yet /e/ provides software updates for much longer, while in the past all my phones that didn't break right away have immediately stopped receiving updates. Longer software support = more security.
  • Contained apps is not so important if you don't install random bullshit on your phone. I get as much as possible from f-droid, which is very well screened.
  • The communication of the GrapheneOS team around this has been pathetic to the point where I have frankly lost trust in the project. I struggle to trust a team I don't respect. /e/OS was started by the founder of Mandrake Linux, and as far as I've seen he seems to have values that align with mine.
  • I like /e/OS. It lets me avoid companies like Google, block trackers, and just use my phone free of things I hate and cannot control or understand. For me, that is security.
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[-] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Exactly.

Since /e/OS is not a security-hardened mobile OS, it is targeting standard industry practices. Therefore, for a given release on month N, our current work-flow is to integrate Android security patches from month N-1. As a result, in the worst case, it will take up to 9 weeks to roll out the latest available security updates.In most cases, it will be much sooner.

An exception is made for 0-day exploits: in this case our policy is to build and roll out a patched version of /e/OS as soon as possible.

/e/OS and security updates

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[-] Jumi@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

I've been using my FP6 with e/os for a week now and I'm very happy with it.

My phone before it was a S10.

[-] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 month ago

" is no longer a compromise (except in the US)"

Yeah that's about what I expect ๐Ÿฅน

[-] dudesss@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago

Canada please!

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