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Modern Windows in a nutshell (lemmy.world)

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[-] Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago

My wife came to me saying her laptop wasn't working. She was on it last night. It was forcing a Windows account login. Shift-10 disabled so I couldn't bypass.

Microsoft can straight fuck itself after this. Trying to brick an 8 year old laptop with a local account. Fuck that noise. My wife is gonna have to learn Linux.

[-] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 day ago

trying to reinstall Windows on a used computer I got recently sent me over the edge. holy fucking shit that was so complicated. there is just no way to install windows without a Microsoft account now, their documentation is both out of date in some locations, non-existent in others (posts removed), and seemingly up-to-date yet incorrect in other locations. I followed the instructions for installing with a Microsoft account and then unlinking it, and it was fucking hell. I had to do some back door shit (not really, but stuff that the average user doesn't stand a chance of doing) in order to get my account actually unlinked so that I could sign in with the local credentials

I will not be buying Microsoft again. just going to transition slowly as Windows 10 fades away

[-] aeternum 2 points 1 day ago

I installed Windows 11 on my machine a few months back because i couldn't get Cities Skylines 2 to run properly under linux. What a fucking mess. only had it for a few hours before i went back to linux. Ahh the serenity.

[-] terminhell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 day ago

Download pro, during install before setting initial account: shift+f10 (may have to hold fn key if laptop). When the cmd box opens type oobe\bypassnro hit enter an PC reboots. Disconnect networking. Say I don't have internet. Now you can do local accounts.

[-] Probius@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 day ago

This would be illegal in a world not run by Microsoft and companies like it.

[-] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

I think it's illegal in the EU

[-] banazir@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 day ago

I recently installed Windows 10 after a few years of Linuxing and holy shit, the updater is just bad. I had more fun running Gentoo updates back in early 2000's. How is Windows updater so slow? How is it so bad at informing the user what's going on? How is it that every open source package manager I've used handles update infinitely better? Microsoft has a lot engineers, what are they doing with their time? Why is it so bad? Like, just, why?

[-] brax@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago

Windows is horrible at informing in general. The event viewer is a terrible mess to get through, too. I wish I could get paid as much as Microsoft to deliver products as bad as Microsoft.

[-] fading_person@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago

Microsoft has a lot engineers, what are they doing with their time?

probably replacing everything with Ai, so that they don't get replaced themseves

[-] Zink@programming.dev 4 points 1 day ago

Using a modern package manager in Linux after being used to windows for a decade or two was absolutely stunning.

But it was not unique. I see that kind of difference all over the OS as well as in FOSS vs commercial apps.

The difference in design motivations and important stakeholders is pretty obvious!

[-] UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

"Exact time is no longer available. For the precise time, subscribe to Clock com. Thank you for upgrading "

[-] Zink@programming.dev 6 points 1 day ago

"WELCOME TO CLOCKO COM

ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE"

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[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago

Also Clock is now an Electron app running in its own instance of Chromium, because the devs are afraid of static typing, thus everything needed to be in Javascript.

[-] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

Not sure if joking...

[-] whats_all_this_then@programming.dev 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This makes me sad. I get using electron for cross-platform stuff like VSCode or all the other examples (trying to do desktop apps with decent looking UIs that work across Linux/Windows/Mac is a nightmare) but the clock that only works on windows? WPF and/or WinUI ARE RIGHT FUCKING THERE WHAT THE HELL?!

THEY'RE YOUR FUCKING PRODUCTS, MICROSOFT!!!

[-] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 day ago

trying to do desktop apps with decent looking UIs that work across Linux/Windows/Mac is a nightmare

I'd argue that both Qt as well as GTK is right there for the taking… but those are not "industry-standard".

[-] whats_all_this_then@programming.dev 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Probably skill issue on my end tbh but here goes:

I'll admit I've never tried GTK. I've always assumed it was specific to linux and used to make apps that look a certain way (like they were made for gnome) vs allowing you to make UIs the way you want to. Maybe I should look into this more.

Qt I'd say is "industry standard" but I've never been able to figure it out (so definitely skill issue here). It's just that every time I've tried it, it's been confusing where you're even supposed to start. Also the last time I tried it I was a bit lost because I assume that I'm supposed to use Qt 6 (?) but it requires me to create an account because there's a whole community/enterprise pricing thing (fair enough, nobody's entitled to OSS work, especially not billion/trillion dollar companies). I plan to look again but that's where I've been stuck so far.

I hate shipping chromium for every single app and it's easy to fuck up a react app but there's something to be said about cutting through the BS, just building, and having it work the same everywhere. Webapps won't perform as well as native but they will perform well enough that it's fine assuming the product owners give a shit.

Still learning but this has been my sentiment so far.

Edit:
Been playing around with iced.rs a bit and it looks promising but I haven't done anything past beginner stuff so no fully formed opinions yet.

[-] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 8 hours ago

I've always assumed [GTK] was specific to linux and used to make apps that look a certain way (like they were made for gnome) vs allowing you to make UIs the way you want to.

That definition more or less applies to Libadwaita, which is basically a fork of GTK4 but specifically for Gnome with lack of proper theming. However both of those Frameworks can be used on any desktop platform. It's just not very common to be used outside of Linux.

There's also Libadapta, a fork of Libadwaita that reintroduces theming capabilities. Both it and GTK4 can be themed with CSS, so you can very much make it look however you want. One example of something that's GTK but absolutely doesn't look like it would be KlipperScreen.

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Also there was a big push for "web first" applications, thus there's a lot of developers with that kind of knowledge. In college, I was instructed to instead of learning software optimizations, to learn how to outsource complicated computations to the cloud, where there will be always enough compute, so I can write my code "as clean as possible, without worrying about optimizations".

[-] whats_all_this_then@programming.dev 2 points 16 hours ago

Wha? That's a dangerous mindset to teach. The last thing you want is to add network latency to every interaction or tether an app to the internet when it doesn't really need it (but I guess big tech didn't get the memo on that one).

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

But it was the beginning of the big data hype, so in exchange you got advertising data and anyone daring to object are probably criminals because "good citizens have nothing to hide".

[-] whats_all_this_then@programming.dev 2 points 6 hours ago

Ah yes, the surveillance state argument. Classic 🤦

[-] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 day ago

That explains so, so much. Not just why everything wants to connect somewhere, but also disasters like programs with >1000 npm package dependencies. Why learning the right way if you've always been told to go the easy way.

[-] Enzyoo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 day ago

laughs in Linux

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[-] Aaron_Davis@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

I have no idea why a clock would need an update.

[-] Scrizzle@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 day ago

The sticky note app makes my skin crawl every time it gets an update.

[-] Michal@programming.dev 6 points 1 day ago

All apps need updates as new features are added. The problem on windows the updates are slow and UX is poor.

Nobody's complaining about android clock needing updates, because they're seamless.

[-] Krzd@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Why does a clock need more features. It tells the time. MAYBE add an alarm to it so you don't have to have 2 apps. that's it. It's not a calendar, it's not a task-tracker, and the last time I checked we still have 24 hour days.

The only updates it needs are UI updates (which should be system-side anyways) and if the time source changes, which are a few bytes at most.

[-] Michal@programming.dev 1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

It likely includes stuff like timezones, timers, alarms,supports multiple languages. The update could be fixing a typo in Hungarian translation for all I know, or fix layout for displaying timezones on ultra wide screen 🤷‍♂️

Software development is complex, even for seemingly most trivial things.

If you take one look at the app on the [windows store](Windows Clock - Free download and install on Windows | Microsoft Store https://share.google/4wV9U8aDXtMySbd0j) and see the screen shots, you'll understand it does more than display time.

[-] aeternum 1 points 1 day ago

tbf, there are leap seconds. I don't know if this "update" was for a leap second, but it really needs to be more seamless.

[-] Krzd@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

leap seconds should be handled via the standard sync just like any normal deviation

[-] aeternum 2 points 1 day ago

yeah, but this is Microshaft we're talking about. What they SHOULD do, isn't what they do. Hence why we have windows.

[-] usernameusername@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

To show the current time, duh /s

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago

Clock needs an update? To decimal time, or what?

Or did they have to patch it because they managed to build a security hole into the original?

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

It's probably got AI now.

[-] stefenauris@pawb.social 7 points 1 day ago

hallucinates It's 5 o'clock somewhere!

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[-] wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 200 points 3 days ago

We're going to restart your computer during active hours. Your work will be interrupted. Fuck you.

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[-] trk@aussie.zone 51 points 2 days ago

I installed Windows 11 on my new office PC yesterday, and it took hours.

The initial boot took forever because it decided it needed to do an update as part of the install,
Then after install when you enter your Microsoft account details so it downloads the entire internet including OneDrive (gross),
Then you switch to AU locale because despite saying I'm in Australia during install it's set me up as US language and currency and imperial measurements etc but Melbourne timezone (also incorrect),
Then you uninstall and disable all the stupid Candy Crush and celebrity news (in the start menu?? why??) and LinkedIn and Xbox gaming crap and all this other stuff that just appears,
Allocate another day to uninstall all the MS Office stuff I don't want (especially OneDrive),
Then you can install Firefox and Thunderbird and Nextcloud and Libre Office and Irfanview and accounting software,
And finally everything starts syncing and away we go time to be productive...
Jokes! Critical update and it's time to reboot multiple times.

I can boot from a Ventoy USB and have a new distro installed and working on my laptop in under an hour ffs.

[-] LemmyZed@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 days ago

IfranView 🥹 respect 🫡

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[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

It's a good thing that windows is so easy and user friendly. Right?
Right guys?

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[-] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 days ago

New Update: Microsoft deleted 12 hours from your clock (every hour now is really 2 hours), so now you have to work 2/3 of every day. Sleep? What sleep? Get the fuck back to work! You pleb

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[-] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 39 points 2 days ago

We replaced "Clock" with ClockPilot. It is so much better! Go ahead ask Clock Pilot what time it is!

You: Clockpilot What Time is It?

🤖 Clockpilot: “Ah, an excellent question! It’s breakfast time in 12 different countries, next week already in New Zealand, and—wait, hang on—did you know Saturn’s day is only 10.7 hours long? If you were there, you’d already be late for bed.

...Anyway. Locally speaking: it’s ... thinking ....did you adjust for Daylight Savings, quantum drift, or whether your cat stepped on your keyboard last spring?

Would you like me to set an alarm for:

Your next existential crisis, The heat-death of the universe, or Dinner?

You: Clockpilot I said WHAT TIME IS IT!

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[-] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago

It's just getting updated to, modern times. (☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞

[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 72 points 2 days ago

And why the fuck is windows always "preparing" to do something!? Are you generating a record of my activities to phone home with? Just do the damn thing!

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[-] sfxrlz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 105 points 3 days ago

Hmm something’s missing. Where is the ai integration?

[-] Zachariah@lemmy.world 116 points 3 days ago

“Your clock has been set to UTC+08:00 since this is what most people use.”

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