Just imagine resistance groups with as good weapons as the occupier
Hamas is not a "resistance" group.
Killing soldiers of an occupation force committing genocide in gaza in the goddamn battlefield is not resistance?
It's just two baddies fighting each other.
One baddie is still fighting an occupying force comiting a genocide right now making them resistsnce fighters. Are you denying palestinians right to self defence that international law give them?
I don't deny anyone any rights. I choose not to participate in this. If you feel so strongly, I suggest you join whichever side you feel is the more righteous. On the ground.
I don’t deny anyone any rights. Yes you are
If you feel so strongly, I suggest you join whichever side you feel is the more righteous.
It's like saying to someone who believe in Ukraine right two self defense to join the Ukrainian army . Very dumb statement from you, you can do better
Are you suggesting that Hamas has suddenly redeemed themselves and are now, no longer internationally recognised terrorists, and instead are resistance fighters?
Are they both?
I don't deny that the people of Palestine have the right to self determination, and all human rights as is to all people.
But to conflate Hamas as the same as all Palestinians is a slippery slope.
It is indeed shameful and more needs to be done to completely rein in what the Israeli forces are doing. That however, does not change the nature of Hamas as an organization that is themselves also bent on committing genocide against Israel. They were literally want to genocide each other. One side is just more capable.
Hamas can be serving their own agenda and appear as resistance fighters through their action. But when the dust clears, you can be sure their manifesto is far from noble. They are as intolerant as the Israeli forces are right now.
The people of Palestine are caught in the middle and the cycle of hate and pointing continues.
Are you suggesting that Hamas has suddenly redeemed themselves and are now, no longer internationally recognized terrorists, and instead are resistance fighters?
I am just saying that killing occupying force in the battle field who are committing a genocide is resistance but you want to deny this right to Palestinians.
But to conflate Hamas as the same as all Palestinians is a slippery slope.
Hamas is more popular than the Palestinians authority and most of Palestinians oppose them disarming because there is no other options. https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/997
It is indeed shameful and more needs to be done to completely rein in what the Israeli forces are doing.
Never in history occupiers left without armed resistance. Which you deny it and that is shameful. If you don't, tell me which is the legitimate Palestinian resistance . So unless other countries send an army to fight Israel on Palestinian behalf, you will not strip Palestinians right to self defense .
That however, does not change the nature of Hamas as an organization that is themselves also bent on committing genocide against Israel.
Hamas said they would disarm once occupation end. Even if they refuse if the hypocritical west and Arab countries and Israel let Palestinians has an official army, that army will be in charge of fighting Hamas
Israeli forces If you was unbiased you would call Israeli force a terrorist army because they did all the atrocities Hamas did in 7 of October for several decades
Hamas will always be a resistance group that also committed some act of terrorisms whatever you like it or not and Palestinians will never drop arms before the end of occupation.
Internationally recognized terrorists
They definitely committed many act of terrorism but no most countries doesn't have Hamas in their terrorists list because those list are very political . They may be at best 30 countries of 195 that have them in the terrorist list. Don't you find weird that no Zionist extremist organizations are in any major western and Arab countries terrorist lists? Why Israel is not recognized as a country that promote terrorism for all the settler terrorists they armed?
Also Mandela was designed as a terrorist and was responsible to some civilian death. Nat turner during his revolt killed innocent children's. Former resistance groups in India also committed terrorism against British civilians during the Rebellion of 1857
I believe in a one state solution where Hamas members responsible of 7 of October and Israeli leadership responsible of Palestinians massacres will be held accountable
I think we're more or less on the same page here. I don't refer to the Israeli forces as terrorist for the same reason I don't refer to the Russian army as terrorist, as they are both a state organization.
By that definition, if, (and it does seem to be the case) Hamas is the legitimate political lead of Palestine, that does make the 'terrorists' the 'Palestinian forces'.
I also agree the label of 'terrorist organisation' is heavily politicised as 'terrorist' and 'rebel' are relative labels.
We're on the same page here, the difference being the extent of emotional investment each of us may have.
State level terrorism exists. This comment show really well your bias. According to you Hamas can't be a resistance group because they committed act of terrorism and are terrorists but Israel does the same thing amplified but they are not terrorists and are a legitimate army
the difference being the extent of emotional investment each of us may have.
Is an whole population getting genocide not a good reason to be so emotionality passionate about Palestinians right to self defense and opposing that genocide with concrete actions?
I feel for the Palestinian people the same way I feel for the people of Libya, Sudan, Myanmar, Haiti and Niger.
I understand and empathise with their plight and donate what I can.
These emotionally charged online 'debates' don't help their cause.
I feel for the Palestinian people the same way I feel for the people of Libya, Sudan, Myanmar, Haiti and Niger.
The other countries you mentioned have civil wars not occupation. So it's kind of irrelevant to mention them in this context but I still care about them. Civil war don't happen unless both party have some kind of support from the population. The actions needed to be used are different, for civil wars the best thing to do is not arming any side but most importantly deradicalization efforts . For occupation, the occupier need to be forced to end occupation then a process of punishing war criminals on both side
These emotionally charged online 'debates' don't help their cause
Denying Palestinians right to armed struggle against the occupier and both siding the conflict don't help their cause.
I don't know about you, but I'm not in the position to grant any rights. Country I live in also fully supported the light off the Palestinians and are actively moving to support them, so I don't have reps I need to convince. If you don't live in such a country, write to your reps.
Which country are you from?
You don't have to be able to grant rights to support rights of people , group of people and populations etc. so you don't have to have power to support Palestinians right to self defense.
There is not a single country that sanctioned Israel itself for genocide . Not a single one did all it's obligation to try to stop it. No matter how much support any country give to Palestine, they still have zero right to tell Palestinians to not fight the genocidal army in the battlefield.
They might not be "the good guys", and their secondary objectives are despicable, but their first objective is an end to the occupation, and they certainly are a resistance group.
Death to the IDF
An image purportedly shows a tank driving over one of the fighters.
That’s pretty normal and not psychotic behavior. /s
Here is the video of that by the way not sure if anyone wants to see it.
NSFL: https://i.imgur.com/hqWUT8R.mp4
And some background story (unverified)
Middle East Eye is by the way supposedly financed by Qatar and pro Hamas.
Any source or just "supposedly"?
and you are a zionist, pro idf , pro occupation and pro genocide
Do you have other sources?
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