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[-] DougHolland@lemmy.world 82 points 2 years ago

"Here's another chance to make people miserable," said some Republican, because making people miserable is their favorite thing to do. Your birth cert is needed for all manner of things — a driver's license, a job, a mortgage, etc — all of which will now be much more difficult, and involve telling your life story at every bureaucrat's counter.

Republicans are fucking monsters.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

Everyone who is like "We should have it be a separate certificate" or "you shouldn't be allowed to change it" knows this and it is the ONLY reason any of them support it.

[-] Octagon9561@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago

The GOP aren't just monsters, they're fascist scum that have no place in any civilized society. The party needs to be treated like the NSDAP after post war Germany.

[-] kaesaecracker@leminal.space 4 points 2 years ago

Hey hey hold on a minute, while I agree with your first sentence the second one I have to disagree with. They are not even close to what nazi germany did. Although they are working on it...

[-] Octagon9561@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago

They are indeed working on it.

[-] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 39 points 2 years ago

Why isn't there a federal birth certificate by now? It's dumb that in 2023 states have that much control over people's identities.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

Some blue state should offer trans people birth certificates there.

[-] cjthomp@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Birth certificates are issued by the birth state

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Is there a federal law that says so? If not, who cares?

[-] Poggervania@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago

Only reason I could see this being logical in the first place is if being a biological male/female would impact the medical treatment of anything in a major capacity. Otherwise, fuck this law, it’s stupid.

[-] mrpants@midwest.social 11 points 2 years ago

Just to clarify birth certificates are never used for medical treatment. If this information is needed the kind approach would be to add a new field to record gender assigned at birth.

https://www.usbirthcertificates.com/articles/what-do-i-need-a-birth-certificate-for

[-] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Sure, but when is the last time your birth certificate mattered in a medical setting? Nobody asks for that to give care. And it makes no difference to care anyway, the patient will just give their medical history to their doctor.

[-] EtherWhack@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

That I could see, though the hormones (or other meds) that they would take and report should highlight the transition. Though cmiiw, I think the only real difference, aside from anatomical, will be metabolic which the referenced hormones would alter, making the case unique in and of itself. (eg. A F>M taking testosterone would have a metabolism that is a closer approximation to male than female and vice versa)

[-] sugarfree@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

It seems reasonable to me, becoming transgender later in life doesn't change the official information recorded about you at your birth.

[-] inasaba@lemmy.ml 27 points 2 years ago

Then why do we allow people to change this official information later in life when they change their name, or to add/remove parents?

[-] sugarfree@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

For parents if the information recorded at the time was not accurate and needs to be amended that's fine by me. I don't support names being changed on a birth certificate.

[-] spacecowboy@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago

It doesn’t affect you at all and you’re 100% okay with the issues it brings trans people. Got it.

[-] Stumblinbear@pawb.social 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah, why do we allow changing the names in their birth certificate? That's weird, too.

[-] TheBlue22@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

How does people changing their gender on a piece of paper affect you? It matters to them, why does it matter to you?

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 1 points 2 years ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


TOPEKA, Kan. (AP) — Kansas will no longer change transgender people’s birth certificates to reflect their gender identities, the state health department said Friday, citing a new law that prevents the state from legally recognizing those identities.

The decision from the state Department of Health and Environment makes Kansas one of a handful of states that won’t change transgender people’s birth certificates.

It already was among the few states that don’t change the gender marker on transgender people’s driver’s licenses.

Enacted by the GOP-controlled Legislature over Kelly’s veto, it took effect July 1 and defines male and female based only on the sex assigned to a person at birth.

“As I’ve said before, the state should not discriminate or encroach into Kansans’ personal lives -– it’s wrong, it’s bad for business,” Kelly said in a statement.

The new Kansas law was based on a proposal from several national anti-trans groups and was part of a wave of measures rolling back transgender rights in Republican-controlled statehouses across the U.S. Montana, Oklahoma and Tennessee also don’t allow transgender residents to change their birth certificates, and Montana and Tennessee don’t allow driver’s licenses changes.


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