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Microsoft is being sued by a man who feels cheated by the current plans to sunset Windows 10. He makes some good points, but I doubt he'll win.

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[-] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 231 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

He'd probably have an easier time with the lawsuit if instead of appealing to upgrade logic, he just went with, I don't know...

THE TIME MICROSOFT PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED WINDOWS 10 WOULD BE THE LAST NUMBERED VERSION AND THAT THEY'D NEVER NEED TO UPGRADE OS VERSION AGAIN.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-32658340

Pepperidge Farm remembers, Microsoft scum.

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 1 week ago

Nixon wasn’t speaking authoritatively there, I believe both he and M$ clarified that. And the “correlating” announcement was more “we will be continuously updating windows 10” unlike the assumed by many people to mean “perpetually” which is just silly.

You’re telling me you expected windows 10 to remain forever the last Windows version? Maybe if they decided to rename the OS moving forward.

I suppose you could take the stance of it just becoming versioned in the same way Linux distros are, but then you just get left being on an old version of Windows 10.

[-] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

No, I didn't expect that, which is why it was stupid to say it in the first place. You can't turn this around and put it on the customer to have to read between the lines what the business is trying to actually say. How about, the multi-billion dollar company that has entire buildings full of lawyers doesn't make claims that it can't back up?

I'm not saying it's right to expect that the Windows operating system was never going to have to have a paid upgrade again, but it was also stupid and wrong to make the claim that it wouldn't. That's on them. Nobody held a gun to their head and told them to lie to their customers and then later claim they didn't mean it. And furthermore, why give them the benefit of the doubt? You think if you were in trouble because of something stupid you said, Microsoft is going to come to your aid? Is it being fair? To a company that wouldn't care if they accidentally bankrupted you with a forced update?

And sure, they can "clarify"all they want that he didn't mean the words that he said precisely and accurately in unambiguous English. It doesn't change the fact that he's not some random employee. He is an executive. He knows, and everyone else should know as well, that he speaks as a representative of the company. Otherwise what's to keep them from lying through their teeth about whatever features they want? "It prints free money! It'll cure all your diseases! No, no.. he didn't mean that."

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Again, an employee speaking off the cuff in an unofficial way isn’t “the company making claims.”

If this was the janitorial staff, would you have taken them at their word? An intern who waddled on stage? Granted Nixon had a little more authority within the company than either of those individuals, but he was by no means in a position that anyone paying attention would take his word on this particular statement.

The issue here is that the media took this “random” employees word as gospel and without getting clarification ran with dozens of “ThiS Is tHe lASt vErSIoN oF wINdOwS!” clickbait articles. All fact checking thrown out the window, no proper follow up. They just spun an entire story out of his off the cuff statement.

Edit: It should be clarified: Nixon wasn’t an executive. He was a software developer. I don’t believe he was even a “senior software developer” at the time.

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[-] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

To be fair, win 11 is more or less win 10 just with a shittier UI and even more intrusive bullshit.

[-] dev_null@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

No, they never did. Yes, it was all over the news, but they literally didn't. Go be angry at media for making stuff up. You don't have to believe me, go ahead and find that announcement yourself. You won't because there was never such an announcement.

Notice how even the article you linked doesn't give a full quote? It just quotes someone saying "last version" without any context of the sentence it was used in? I will give you the full quote where that comes form. Someone asked a Microsoft developer what they are currently working on, and the answer was:

”Right now we’re releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, we’re all still working on Windows 10.”

It is obvious from context "last version" meant "latest version" here. And that misreading of a quote, conveniently not included in most articles, is the only source for all these news. No announcement. No journalist actually asking Microsoft about it. Just a fleeting comment by one Microsoft employee that obviously meant something else, in an answer about something else, but why let that get in the way of a good story.

And this was an answer to an audience question in a "Tiles, Notifications, and Action Center” presentation by a single Microsoft developer, on a developer conference. The absolute last place to look for a ground-breaking announcement about Microsoft's future.

The company said it had yet to decide on what to call the operating system beyond Windows 10.

And the exact same article you linked confirms Microsoft is still deciding on the name for the next Windows? Which would make no sense if there was no next Windows?

"There will be no Windows 11," warned Steve Kleynhans, a research vice-president at analyst firm Gartner.

There will be no Windows 11, says some guy who doesn't work at Microsoft.

And then a bunch of cherry picked quotes about continous updates being a good thing. Yep, continous updates, just like we got in Windows Vista, and that have nothing to do with there not being new Windows versions.

Modern journalism is useless. Someone made up a thing, everyone else copied it. And not a single media outlet actually asked Microsoft about it. No one. Or maybe they did, but the answer meant there is no news, so let's ignore it.

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[-] Usernamealreadyinuse@lemmy.world 90 points 1 week ago

Looking into switching to Linux...

May you run into a nerd with a Ventoy USB full of beginner-friendly distros in their back pocket to help you along your journey.

There are at least two of us out there, I’m sure of it.

[-] seralth@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

I keep a ventoy USB in my backpack at all times.

Currently I have mint popos endeavour cachy bazzite fedora opensuse. I'm thinking of adding a few more. Maybe add nixOS and Debian to the mix.

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[-] funkajunk@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago

Do it.

If you have an old laptop, put Linux on it, get comfortable using it. Then when you are ready, make the full switch on your main computer.

I have used Linux for a few years mostly on my servers, but that's what I did to get used to the desktop experience. I setup a second SSD to have the option of dual booting if I needed it. That was back in March and I haven't booted into Windows once.

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[-] themadcodger@kbin.earth 14 points 1 week ago

Seconded on do it. It's a lot better than it was even a few years ago.

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[-] DannyMac@sh.itjust.works 79 points 1 week ago

Hey, Microsoft said 10 was the last version of Windows...

[-] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago

It's the last version of Windows I'll ever install, so the statement was accurate but incomplete.

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[-] codenul@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago

Sometimes YOU have to make changes that you want to see. And not wait for corporations

[-] garretble@lemmy.world 68 points 1 week ago

I'm old enough to remember when MS said Windows 10 would be the last Windows and they'd just update it over time.

[-] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

Kinda glad that wasn't the case because those of us who've been using Windows 10 all this time would just end up with what Windows 11 is but masquerading as Win 10.

I'm more comfortable with being pushed back into the Linux pool and relearning how to swim those waters.

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[-] UltraMagnus@startrek.website 64 points 1 week ago

The assumption that you'll lose a lawsuit against a large corporation probably stops a lot of viable lawsuits from ever happening - good for him for giving it a go.

[-] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago

I hope he wins.

Windows peaked with XP. 7 was alright. 8 was a free fall of a downward slide falloff.

Appified overly complicated slop and bloat filled garbage ever since.

[-] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 40 points 1 week ago

Win 2k pro was best. Fight me;) I hated the fisher price look of XP.

[-] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

the fisher price look of XP.

Thank you for my belly laugh of the day. 😂

[-] Randelung@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

I liked Vista. Aero Glass was cool.

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[-] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

IDK I liked 7 pretty much as much as I like XP. For me it was 10 that was just alright.

My brother convinced me to switch to 11 when I built my most recent gaming desktop and I somewhat regret listening to him but I know dual booting is a waste of time for me and I'm not quite ready to make the full jump to Linux because my desktop has a 4070 Super. It'll ahve to wait until my next PC. Fortunately, I don't have the version of 11 with Recall pre-installed at least.

I use my Steam Deck more than my gaming desktop these days anyway.

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[-] lsjw96kxs@sh.itjust.works 47 points 1 week ago

The end of the article misses one possible way to deal with your computer, migrating to Linux. It's not possible for all the mass of people, but it's still a possibility.

[-] Newsteinleo@infosec.pub 13 points 1 week ago

I feel like Linux right now is where Windows was in the XP days. for 90% of users it will work out of the box for them. They will be able to check their email, watch YouTube, doom scroll on their choose social media. The challenge is that for the other 10%, the learning curve is a lot steeper than XP was. The learning curve problem is compounded by the massive pile of guide for deprecated sub systems.

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

It very much is. If you're willing to invest a few hours of your time to learn something new, you can absolutely switch to Linux.

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[-] pokexpert30@jlai.lu 41 points 1 week ago

People will do ANYTHING but switch to linux, huh.

[-] Lazylazycat@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

I only really use my laptop to DJ and you can't run Rekordbox on Linux. I'd love to swap, but Linux doesn't seem to do what I need it to do.

[-] oatscoop@midwest.social 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

My daily driver laptop, home servers, media center, NAS, etc are all Linux.

My gaming computer isn't -- as much as I would like it to be. There are certain things (particularly VR) that don't want to work well in Linux.

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[-] Iunnrais@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Some key software I need to use doesn’t work on Linux, and is unlikely to be able to in the near future, sorry. I did use Linux for a while, mind you, and I more or less like it… but a computer is only useful if it runs the software you need to do the things you want to do with it.

I don’t want to downgrade to windows 11, but I’m going to be forced to. And to even do that I’m going to need to bypass the hardware authenticator, as I’m apparently ever so slightly behind their so-called minimum requirements, which aren’t really minimum requirements but just a push to get me to buy a new PC I don’t need.

[-] absentbird@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

I've found that many people will go to great lengths to avoid learning anything new.

They want to be able to ignore their computers as much as possible, even considering the prospect of alternative software is taxing and upsetting for them.

I think that's basically how Microsoft and Adobe are so successful, they bought and cheated their way into the default position, and now they can do whatever they want with no real repercussions.

The user wants to click on the same icons with the same names as before, sometimes it's as simple as wanting the same name; if it's not called 'outlook' they don't want it, doesn't matter how well it works.

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[-] iterable@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 week ago

Never forget we were told Windows 10 would be the last version. That all updates from then on would be only to Windows 10.

[-] BillyTheKid@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago

This is my big beef. Last version. Sounded great. We've been betrayed.

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[-] 64bitrowlet@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

I agree that windows should not stop supporting previous versions of windows. Especially when going from windows 10 to 11 wasn't at all that big of a change. They very easily could have waited longer before making windows 11 the standard or even windows 11 period because it was not that big of a change.

Unfortunately they did not do anything illegal in my opinion but we'll have to see how this plays out I guess.

[-] winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 1 week ago

And windows 10 will be the last windows. Did everyone forget that??

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[-] Guidy@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Good, fuck ‘em.

[-] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Its a fun fantasy but Microsofts pockets are way too deep to lose to some avarage joe.

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Also they can be exempt from the law by gifting donnie and co gold, or initiating "christian friendly initiatives".

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[-] goatinspace@feddit.org 11 points 1 week ago

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[-] n3cr0@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

That's like switching from Tesla to BMW and paying the premium for the heated seats and adjustable shock absorbers to work.

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