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[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 points 5 hours ago

These are the numbers from 2023.

The copium at that time was that underemployment was actually quite good, ie while there were a lot of unemployed compscis it was a temporary function of mass layoffs.

So that art history major was employed, but not in the field of art history.

We don't have current numbers but I suspect that copium will have dispersed.

[-] Pro@programming.dev 2 points 4 hours ago
[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

It says figures are from 2023 in one of the notes. It's possible they just didn't update that one though.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 11 hours ago

Wow, I guess the art history majors thing is a myth.

[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 12 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

This is exclusively due to the LLM bubble

[-] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 13 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Yeah but what's their average salary? Still an amazing career if you are good at it. (Assuming AI doesn't get 10x better and take all of our jobs.)

It's actually in the table - median wage mid career:

  • Art history: $71k
  • Biology: $80k
  • Compsci: $115k
[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 7 points 11 hours ago

Mid career is more about people who graduated 20 years ago.

[-] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 2 points 6 hours ago

It has early career too - the difference there is even bigger.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 8 points 12 hours ago

How are you supposed to get good at it if you can't get hired? Work for free for a while?

[-] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 1 points 5 hours ago

I dunno, I learnt as a hobby. I think most programmers I know did too.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 2 points 34 minutes ago

I was going to say something about self teaching or volunteering (eg: working on open source stuff for free), but like giving your labor away for free kind of sucks. Do we expect other fields to do that? Are accountants just doing finance for free?

Also you won't learn important stuff like how to work in a professional context. I've met hobby programmers that don't know how to work on a team.

You're not entirely wrong but I don't think it's a perfect solution

[-] sukhmel@programming.dev 1 points 4 hours ago

You should then average the salary over the time you were paid 0 because you were learning on your own, too

[-] SolacefromSilence@fedia.io 10 points 13 hours ago

Wages are sticky in the short term. We'd want to see what downward pressure exists on offers to new grads.

Best of luck to those stuck right now

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