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[-] Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 hour ago

Do you have to enable the feature first? Because I'm on v141 and I don't see this feature. Complaining about a useless and draining feature that you yourself enabled is a special kind of stupid tbh.

[-] eyekaytee@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Bro, several users have taken to the Firefox subreddit, this is definitely worthy of being the most upvoted post on Lemmy rn

[-] Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 hour ago

Because people seem to have a special hat boner for Firefox on here.

And please don't call me bro.

[-] Pjonathan@lemmy.world 18 points 11 hours ago

I was actually wondering why it felt like my Firefox was dying, possible could align with this.

[-] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 80 points 15 hours ago

Firefox really does seem to have lost the plot... they don't seem to go five minutes without slamming their dick in another drawer. It starts to look like they're in to it.

[-] Mika@sopuli.xyz 80 points 17 hours ago

TBH despite I don't like this specific idea, nor use Firefox directly, I do like the usage of local inference vs sending your data to thirdparty to do AI.

They just needed to do it OPT IN, not OPT OUT.

[-] alsimoneau@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 hour ago
[-] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 1 points 58 minutes ago

then why the fuck is this newsworthy? ugh. Why is there such a huge hateboner for firefox lately?

[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 26 points 15 hours ago

Awful Idea? Anal Intrusion? Actually Irrelevant?Activating Idiocy? Adding Incompetence?

[-] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 11 points 12 hours ago
[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 hours ago
[-] DarkSurferZA@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago
[-] CaptKoala@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 hours ago

Absent Intelligence

[-] 58008@lemmy.world 126 points 20 hours ago

Literally no one on this green earth asked for this shit. In fact, we've been pretty direct about how much we don't want it.

It's exhausting.

[-] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 21 points 16 hours ago

Mozilla has stopped working on developing and improving their products, and is now entirely focused on adding trendy terms and garbage, to feed money to their C*Os.

[-] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 32 points 14 hours ago

They in the last year or so added built in vertical tabs , much better hardware support for decoding video on Linux, continue to support manifest v2 and high quality ad blocking. Have increased performance and memory usage.

In the last 7 years performance is night and day different as is multiple process performance and switched away from unmaintainable old broken addon system.

They also created one of the premiere programming languages which is making in roads in the Linux kernel.

[-] angrystego@lemmy.world 7 points 7 hours ago

All right, but apart from the vertical tabs, better video decoding, support for manifest v2, high quality adblocking, increased performance, and the useful programming language, what has Mozilla ever done for us?

[-] MaggiWuerze@feddit.org 2 points 1 hour ago

The aqueducts?

[-] glog78@digitalcourage.social 8 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

@michaelmrose @swordgeek I 100% agree that Mozilla is important but it's also clear that currently their is not enough business to keep Mozilla going. I don't blame them for trying to make a Business , i blame them for not following their former values. You can make a business and still mostly follow values ( look for example to GOG ).
And what i don't like the most is the change from opt in to opt out. Every new feature most users don't want. You can argue that they know this and make it harder and harder to turn off those new "features" . The last time it was hidden in a sub menu in the settings ( switching off sending data to their ad service ) now it's hidden in about:config.
I guess next time you need 3rd party patches and compile the browser yourself to switch a "feature" off.

[-] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 47 points 19 hours ago

Well, stupid people want it and they do use it when its shoved in their face. Like how samsung updated and BLATANTLY made their peice of shit AI button TAKE OVER THR POWER BUTTON so when you try to turn off your phone little old granny gets confused that an ai agent pops up and starts recording you. Absolutely infuriating and I wish torture on whoever implemented that shit.

[-] JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 hours ago

The kinds of people who want that switched to Google Chrome years ago. Only people who care more about software freedom than convenience are still using Firefox today.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 8 hours ago

It's not a new updated it's been that way for years.

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[-] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 67 points 19 hours ago

According to the article, this is mainly for grouping tabs with a suggested name. Talk about backwards. Use AI to process the top websites on the Internet and create groups and/or logic to group them by keywords (cluster analysis), then save the small data structure in Firefox so it can group most websites instantly, using kilobytes of ram in the process; don't try to do this on everyone's device ffs.

Besides the heat and battery problem, this also means that the GUI is going to be non-deterministic, suggesting groups differently day-to-day based on the slight differences of input and the whims of the LLM. Burn it with fire.

[-] Nalivai@lemmy.world 28 points 18 hours ago

Oh, so that's what the fuck it was. I was wondering why my tabs were getting grouped without any logic or reason. Impressive ability to make everything actively worse

[-] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 14 hours ago

I don't think the centralised approach works either. If you bake that grouping metadata of individual popular pages into Firefox you have an issue with keeping it current if page content changes. And you have a difficult trade-off between covering enough pages vs not blowing up the size too much. And the approach can't work for deep web pages, e.g. anything people can only see when logged in.

Ignoring all that: The groupings you could pre-process would be static and determined over some assumed average user behaviour, not an actual cluster of a specific users themes. You take some hardcore Warhammer 40k fan, and all his tabs on minis and painting techniques and rulebooks and fan media, and apply the static grouping then it all goes into "Warhammer". However if you ran it locally it might come up with "Painting" "Figures" "Rules" "Fanart" or whatever. It would produce a more fine grained clustering for someone who is deep into a specific niche interest, and a more coarse grained one otherwise.

So I think fundamentally it's correct to cluster locally and dynamically for a usable result. They need to make it opt-in, and efficient enough. Or better yet they could just abandon the idea because it's ultimately not that much use compared to the required inference cost.

[-] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

The problem with useful suggestions like these is that they can't be used when the MO is to shove AI into everything and anything to seem relevant, and chase the pot of cost savings at the end of the rainbow which is totally gonna turn up any day now, we think, we're pretty sure anyway.

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[-] comador@lemmy.world 33 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

At least they offer a fix for it:

Head to about:config in a new tab, accept the risk warning, and use the search bar to find the controls.

To kill the AI chatbot feature, search for browser.ml.chat.enabled and set it to false.

To stop smart tab grouping, search for browser.tabs.groups.smart.enabled and set it to false.

[-] Soup@lemmy.world 12 points 16 hours ago

They offer a fix behind a bunch of barriers? Is it not in settings with an obvious on/off toggle for the thing?

[-] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 8 points 15 hours ago

Why would they bury the option... are they being paid to include this AI feature or something...?

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 46 points 20 hours ago

Just make it an official extension ffs...

[-] JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 hours ago

I'm fine with them pulling a Pocket as long it dies in the end.

[-] nectar45@lemmy.zip 77 points 23 hours ago

Firefox is a good example of "either you die a hero or live long enoigh to see yourself become the villian"

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[-] massivemeatballs@lemmy.world 29 points 20 hours ago

I'll keep using LibreWolf as my main browser while keeping an eye on Ladybird with my fingers crossed.

[-] BurgerBaron@piefed.social 61 points 23 hours ago

I just want a web browser that's not based in the USA.

[-] defaultwizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 13 hours ago

It's still a way out but Ladybird might be the alternative going forward. However, they've stated that it's only going to support linux/mac with a windows version in the "eventually" column which makes it kinda hard to sell to people.

[-] JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 hours ago

It's actually a smart move. Linux users are the most receptive audience, and the most likely to support its development.

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