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submitted 2 months ago by VAVHV@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world

From age and ID restrictions on the Internet, to charging rappers with “terrorism,” the U.K. is demolishing the most basic civil liberties. If we let them, U.S. leaders may be close behind.

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[-] Mniot@programming.dev 160 points 2 months ago

I think the US will be fine as long as we don't repeatedly elect some kind of cabal of pedophile authoritarians.

[-] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 months ago

Irony is truly lost on this platform

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[-] noobdoomguy8658@feddit.org 117 points 2 months ago

Just what the fuck is this timeline? I was born in Russia and spent a good chunk of my life basically idolizing USA, UK, EU, other European countries, English-first countries, etc.

By the time I had the language and professional skills to try and migrate into a probably really good life, suddenly there's a rise of authoritarianism, loss of privacy, rollback to the political right and intolerance and hatred and whatever.

There's still a long way for these nations to go before things are as bad as here, but the differences still are dwindling at an alarming rate and I often find myself wondering if it's gonna be worth the effort if I want to eventually move to someplace that still respects privacy and freedom and is sensible about the Internet and digital technologies.

There's still a lot of perks from knowing English as well as I do, but at this point, I think I'd have to learn German or Swedish or some other northern EU language if I ever make up my mind.

And by the time I'm ready, these countries will roll out some bullshit, too, right?

And then there's Visa and MasterCard telling you what you can and can't purchase because some conservative cesspool wrote some emails - but gamers' emails are ignored...

It's all so demoralising. I miss looking forward to the future with hope and excitement for things.

[-] rozodru@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago

what's happening is our current system right now is in the process of failing. it's dying, it didn't work and it can no longer sustain itself. Someone once said something along the lines of "When the current system fails, the next one will consist of whatever ideas are left"

So what ideas are left? the ideas of the far right, just like far right ideas are ALWAYS left when a system is about to die. So all these governments, all these wealthy individuals, all these people that have the most to gain are are going start backing the new up coming system. We're seeing it in real time.

But this has happened time and time again. We're a collectively dumb species and love watching repeats. it's always the same song and dance "well lets go this way, sure it didn't work out last time but I don't believe it'll happen to us THIS time".

So it's not so much "what the fuck is this timeline" but rather "well it's our generations turn for bullshit". And it always skips a generation. So the boomers didn't experience it, but their parents did, and now it's our turn. Hopefully our children or our Kids children will be smarter than boomers but...we as humans sure do love watching reruns.

[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 months ago

i believe that "far-right" sentiments are a natural defense mechanism against a perceived threat.

if your tribe is in danger, you start kicking the foreigners out, you start going back culturally to what you perceive as "safe",

it's literally like if a windows computer fails to boot properly 3 times in a row, it re-boots into "safe mode", which is a locked-down, dumbed-down, simplified version of the actual os. we are the computer. if people experience hardships too often throughout their daily lifes, they start "dumbing down" and "rebooting into safe mode". just that that safe mode causes more hardships for everyone else. and that's where we're at right now.

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[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

And then there’s Visa and MasterCard telling you what you can and can’t purchase because some conservative cesspool wrote some emails

They didn't just write emails, they actually picked up the phone and called them, non stop. They made it into a problem that couldn't be ignored. Gamers haven't done that, unfortunately.

[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 15 points 2 months ago

Sweden teaches its kids English first now. You'll be fine.

[-] Flamekebab@piefed.social 17 points 2 months ago

Back in the '80s my British father would get as far as opening his mouth to use the Swedish he'd been practicing before the shopkeeper would preempt him in flawless English "How can I help you, sir?".

My inlaws actually don't speak any English and they're the first adult Swedes I've known that don't. Fortunately I speak Swedish fluently but it was comedically awkward for my wife's previous British boyfriends!

[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 months ago

There's always Canada, a similarly large yet sparsely populated land with awful winters and bad food, you'll fit right in.

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[-] Lumisal@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Well, UK partially aside, your country is the root cause of all the shit happening here. Specifically Putin el Puto.

Well, not so much "cause" as pouring gasoline on what was a light smolder.

[-] DapperPenguin@programming.dev 17 points 2 months ago

Blaming Russia for the inadequacies of much more powerful nations like the US is pretty ignorant, imo.

[-] Lumisal@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Of course those countries had issues - including the USA.

But it's Russia that interfered enough to put the far right in those countries in power. Like I said, they poured gasoline on what was already a fire

[-] iglou@programming.dev 16 points 2 months ago

You're shifting way too much blame on Russia. Our democracies are failing by themselves, because of complacent politicians who care more about their career and being elected than doing good for their countries. Politicians who learned they don't have to apply their promises and everything will turn out fine. Voters got pissed and fell for far right lies and propaganda.

It turned into a roaring fire by itself. Putin just made sure the fire doors don't shut.

[-] bilb@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago

This is absolutely insane. Russia is NOT the root cause of anything bad happening in the United States. Pull your head out of your ass.

[-] Lumisal@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm in Finland. I'm also referencing the EU member countries, not just the USA. A lot of the issues here are literally due to Russia.

Edit: Trump and Republican ties to Russia are definitely also a thing.

[-] C4551E 8 points 2 months ago

Russia only helped spread the cancers that were already here

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[-] MSugarhill@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 months ago

Don't get your hoped too high on Germany, Switzerland and Austria...

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[-] Corelli_III@midwest.social 90 points 2 months ago

"and america could be next!" they literally have domestic concentration camps in america there is no freedom there

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[-] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 83 points 2 months ago

The US is already well down the path with masked men kidnapping people on the street, holding them without any contact, defunding all sorts of media and billionaires suppressing all sorts off stuff in their media outlets.

[-] SheeEttin@lemmy.zip 45 points 2 months ago

Britain has never had free speech in the same way as the US, nor even of the press. Only in the last few decades, they've only had what's required by the ECHR.

[-] Fleur_@aussie.zone 31 points 2 months ago

Well US free speech is telling lies and misleading millions of people on broadcast television.

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[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They literally have a Press Censorship system where they will send something called "D-Notices" to newspapers to shut them up.

[-] Peter_Arbeitslos@feddit.org 8 points 2 months ago

GB is #20 world press freedom, netizens included. USA are on #57... So what do you mean exactly by "never had free speech in the same way as the US"?

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[-] mriswith@lemmy.world 42 points 2 months ago

That was lost a while ago, but it's nice more people are noticing that it's getting worse.

[-] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 32 points 2 months ago

Uh, America had free speech? First I'm hearing about it.

[-] bobs_monkey@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 months ago

If you're wealthy enough, you can do whatever you want.

Freedom™

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

With a president meddling in both universities and media free speech, there is no way to seriously say USA has free speech.
But even before these issues freedom of speech was very challenged in USA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Press_Freedom_Index

[-] monogram@feddit.nl 31 points 2 months ago

Remember VPNs definitely don’t help here, definitely don’t try to skirt any protections using a VPN, definitely remember to have your ID with you at the ready for any website to show to.

[-] DapperPenguin@programming.dev 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

If you could project into the future, you might see that VPNs are a dwindling non-solution to the problem. As this unsettling trend makes waves across all jurisdictions in the world, every VPN's IP will be subject to these new controls.* Eventually normies might need to understand technologies like Tor or I2P. Only problem is, if things get really bad they might ban the use of both outright. I'm not sure if I2P can be detected just as Tor, but I do know Tor users can be detected easily. Which is why if you're in a "censorship" country you need to use some sort of special subset of entry guards. I2P might be better because every node in the network is like a router, none are specifically entry, middle, or exit nodes. Only thing I could think of, maybe some form of deep packet inspection? If everybody runs an I2P router, then simply making requests to other nodes is not enough to determine it's an i2p communication?* It's just distributed computing, the way the internet was intended!

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[-] ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 30 points 2 months ago

Hopefully this doesn't devolve into another USA vs UK shit flinging contest. Authoritarianism is on the rise everywhere, Trump and Starmer are both utilising state power to crack down on dissent and opposition. Those of us who are opposed to this shit are on the same side.

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[-] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago

Pretty much every company that matters decided to go full 1984 censorship and surveillance all at the same time. And the governments are more than happy to play along. UK, US, etc. Pretty much all of "the west"

[-] Tryenjer@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They are paving the way for feudalism to replace liberal democracies,

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Enlightenment

[-] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 7 points 2 months ago

Big time.

And thanks for the link! learned a new philosophy tag for the silicon-valley-government-buying-neo-nazi-death-cult.

🌠the more you know (about the enemy) and all that. . .

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[-] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 months ago

How many whistleblowers and reporters did Bush and Obama charge with the Espionage Act?

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[-] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 months ago

UK joined the US suicide pact after the queen. Sad.

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[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 13 points 2 months ago

US lost thiers before, UK did.

[-] Jocker@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 months ago

What's happening in Britain, thought current government was a good one?

[-] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 months ago

Labour is centrist and they desperately want to exert more control. English are sheep, so no one will protest daddy government.

[-] teuniac_@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Supposedly centrist. They're curious whether being populist right wing on some issues will win over Reform UK voters. It's just that they're so curious and are doing this so often that they're well on their way into morphing into a right wing party.

so no one will protest daddy government.

Yea this is a problem..

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[-] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 months ago

I think it's odd (and pretty terrifying) the U.K. and U.S. have been on such similar and almost coordinated authoritarian tracks over the last few years. It started with a lot of gradual steps and more recently they seem to be ramping things up (which also seems pretty common for authoritarianism/by the time most people notice something weird is happening it's too late).

Both ramping up A.I. to spy on, and control/micromanage their own civilians while refusing regulations or any public accountability for the A.I. they're developing.

April 2024: U.S., U.K. Announce Partnership to Safety Test AI Models

Feb 2025: UK and US refuse to sign international AI declaration

May 2025: Brexit’s Failures Could Foreshadow Trump’s. Just Not in the Way You Might Think.

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[-] obbeel@mander.xyz 11 points 2 months ago

Very information heavy article. I appreciate that.

[-] Jhex@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Could? go publicly criticize the Pedo in chief and watch what happens

[-] ameancow@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The idea that America EVER had free fucking speech is propaganda. There is no such thing, not in the US and not anywhere. Nations have to control their propaganda or they lose their power. Want an example? Just log into your favorite feed-site in another country and look how radically different every post, every comment and every news story is. Our perspective in the US is as cultivated as it is anywhere else.

The only way we would ever have truly free speech in any capacity would be if we had a borderless world, and I don't see that happening as long as we have money and classes.

Short of some alien species descending and absorbing everyone into a hive-mind, this isn't going to change for a thousand years at least.

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[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Britain never had free speech and always have been a absolute nanny state. It's a prime example that government overreach does not result in any safety improvements.

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[-] WiseScorpio@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

What is this 'could be' business?

[-] pirate2377@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 months ago

America is already well on its way to lose free speech as well. We have a secret police called "ICE" now, so it's only a matter of time unless the "resistance democrats" finally do their fucking job

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