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[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 141 points 5 days ago

Captain G. M. Gilbert, the Army psychologist assigned to watching the defendants at the Nuremberg trials:

“In my work with the defendants, I was searching for the nature of evil and I now think I have come close to defining it. A lack of empathy. It’s the one characteristic that connects all the defendants, a genuine incapacity to feel with their fellow men. Evil, I think, is the absence of empathy.”

[-] Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago

You know who I blame? Jesus. Going round teaching people to care about one another regardless of creed and colour. His toxic empathy has really ruined Christianity.

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[-] Core_of_Arden@lemmy.ml 29 points 4 days ago

There's no such thing as toxic empathy. If it's hurting others, it's not empathy.

[-] HenryDorsett@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I mean, being empathetic and using for evil... tale as old as the words' origins.

Empathy, but a lack of conscience allows one to feel for their opponent, assess their weaknesses, and exploit them.

I mean, possessing the capability for understanding harm and doing it anyway is a core characteristic of a "bad person." We don't blame a wild animal for attacking someone, at least not if you have two brain cells to rub together. I worked in Yellowstone. We had bears in civilian areas on a few occasions. I was off the clock, but didn't want to see people hurt, so I helped the park rangers clear the area of tourists, and got the fuck out of the way when they were actually trying to corral the bear (juvenile) and relocate it to a deeper part of the park away from humans.

~~Black Hat Hackers~~ Social engineers, con men, what have you, all revolve around empathetic traits.

Again, people, as an example... A knife is a tool. I carry one every day. Usually, I open boxes, break down boxes, use it as a lever (my "tool" knife EDC is robust and cheap as shit. If it breaks, it breaks, I've gotten a couple decades out of it so far) and more. After 20 years or more of service, it has more than paid for itself, we're looking at like a dollar year here.

Now the knife no one ever sees except my wife (because I disrobe in front of her) is designed for self defense. That one is a weapon. Its only purpose is self defense. It isn't unsheathed unless I'm checking it for maintenance reasons, or I need to defend myself. Thankfully, the later has not happened since I've purchased it. However, in an emergency? Its a sharp blade of good materials. It could be used for other reasons, just at its price point I prefer not to. Awkward grip for a traditional knife usage, but it could be used for an emergency trach if the need arose. Though, that may just be a consideration because of my first aid training.

Both knives serve vastly different purposes for me.

At the end of the day, they're a tool though. I could bash someone in the head with a claw hammer as easily as I built a house - except I know nothing about building a house, lol.

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[-] fckreddit@lemmy.ml 115 points 5 days ago

Christ: Please be kind.

Christians: Empathy is toxic.

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[-] the_q@lemmy.zip 56 points 5 days ago

It's frustrating to read Christians trying to distinguish themselves from one another based on interpretations of a book while also all believing in a magical creature that lives in the clouds who will both condemn someone to an eternity of torture and provide unconditional love and acceptance.

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 28 points 5 days ago

The idea that anything anyone could ever do warrants an infinite amount of suffering is crazy.

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[-] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 22 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

unconditional* love

* terms and conditions apply

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[-] Brutticus@midwest.social 15 points 5 days ago

Is there a slur for christians?

[-] offspec@lemmy.world 27 points 5 days ago
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[-] Botzo@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

These sorts? Absolutely.

My favorites:

  • y'all qaeda
  • talibangelicals
[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 14 points 4 days ago

Christofascist is arguably both a slur and a precise, factual description

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[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

Bible Humper

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[-] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 21 points 4 days ago

No surprises that MAGA wants to teach that we shouldn't consider someone elses position. Its their way or the highway.

[-] BiteSizedZeitGeist@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago

So, this is controversial, but when I hear "toxic masculinity" I understand that it means that not all masculinity is toxic, but masculinity can have toxic forms. In the interest of using precise language, I do believe that, in the realm of all possibilities, there can conceivably be toxic forms of empathy.

Now, I don't think that left/progressive ideals are toxic in general, and certainly aren't toxic when they're based in empathy and compassion. And I realize that the "side" that coined the phrase "toxic empathy" is also the side that thinks "toxic masculinity" is an absolute phrase. So it would make sense that right/conservative people would think "oh we'll call ideals we don't like toxic, like the libs do with masculinity" without any deeper understanding.

Just want to be pedantic to try to keep the capital-D Discourse on the nature of empathy from becoming black-and-white polarized.

[-] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

The only toxic empathy I can think of is Stockholm syndrome.

[-] splendoruranium@infosec.pub 11 points 4 days ago

In the interest of using precise language, I do believe that, in the realm of all possibilities, there can conceivably be toxic forms of empathy.

Which situations can you conceive that would be made worse by all involved parties understanding each others feelings?

[-] tiramichu@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 days ago

Yeah exactly, I don't get it either.

With "Toxic Masculinity" it's pretty clear how masculinity - which is not a problem in itself - can become over-applied to the point where it's damaging both to oneself and to others.

But toxic empathy? Is it really possible to care about others too much? To try and see things from someone else's perspective too much? I feel like it really isn't, because there can never be enough of that in the world.

Which means "toxic empathy" is genuinely nothing more than a nonsense phrase for people who don't wish to see or hear about any viewpoint except their own.

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[-] forrgott@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 4 days ago

there can conceivably be toxic forms of empathy.

certainly aren't toxic when they're based in empathy and compassion

Pick a lane? I mean no offense, but I did kinda feel like I had a stroke trying to follow your argument.

The way I see it, "toxic empathy" is self contradicting, which is a regular tactic of fascist propaganda. The whole point is to interfere with the listeners' ability to approach their argument with reason and logic, leaving them more vulnerable to emotional manipulation.

Anyway, I'll just go ahead and say it: no, there is no such thing as "toxic empathy". It's a meaningless word salad to dress their appeal to emotion up to look like some kinda of reasoned argument (but only if you don't look to close, which of course a radical will do everything to avoid).

[-] TassieTosser@aussie.zone 3 points 3 days ago

Toxic empathy is when you try to see the good in people when there's no conceivable good to be found. For example, the fools who think Nazis can still be brought around to reason instead of culled.

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[-] cynar@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

A hypothetical "toxic empathy" could be our evolved hunting technique. We would run down prey with endurance hunting. If we lost them, we could use empathy to put ourselves in their mindset, and so predict their movements.

Even this would be "venomous empathy". Toxic masculinity is partially defined by the way it hurts the man doing it. It's toxic to the host. It's misused enough however to muddy that, considerably.

[-] Bgugi@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

Toxic empathy is when you bite them and feel bad. Venomous empathy is when they bite you and you feel bad.

[-] SCmSTR 23 points 4 days ago

They're SO DAMN CLOSE TO ACTUALLY BEING SELF AWARE

[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 29 points 5 days ago

Religion. The only mental illness not in the DSM.

[-] mondomon@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

Don't forget to add the fascism subtype.

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[-] MNByChoice@midwest.social 33 points 5 days ago

Sadly, this is a thing.

(Note: I am not encouraging one to read the link.)

Witnessing to Liberals by Ron Rhodes

God’s primary attribute is said to be love. His holiness, judgment, and wrath are practically ignored. Thus, it is not surprising that liberal Christians hold out the hope of immortality for all people. The idea that any will spend eternity in hell is rejected.

The writing spends a lot of time arguing against the "mischaracterizations of evangelicals", while mischaracterizing "liberal Christians".

Such a horrible out world view.

(I don't care to find out what this detestable person has to say about Atheists.)

[-] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The idea that any will spend eternity in hell is rejected.

Hell isn't a scriptural concept, it was taken and evolved from Hellenism. While I'm deconstructed, I know several "leftist Christians" that reject most modern evangelical dogma as "unscriptural." I agree with them, but there is no ethical justification for things like "God told the Israelites to genocide an entire people, including babies." At the end of the day, even if you agree with Jesus' humanist teaching, the Bible is full to the brim with "God" ostensibly telling people to do horrible, unjust, repugnant things.

[-] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 15 points 5 days ago

The hell everyone thinks of was basically just biblical fan fiction.

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Most people’s understanding of Satan and Hell is more from Milton and Dante than from the Bible. With the “Rapture”, it’s all Tim LaHeye, Hal Lindsey and basement church videos regurgitation of John Darby.

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[-] LethargicPuppy14@lemmy.zip 13 points 5 days ago

Against my best judgement, I read the whole thing. (You practically begged me to!) He's just offering incredibly disingenuous "talking points" for "liberal Christians" that are actually things you might say to an atheist. The whole thing just exists to characterize non-conservative Christians as fake Christians.

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[-] unconsequential@slrpnk.net 40 points 5 days ago

Ah “toxic empathy” this is the “I need to protect my mental health— I can’t be bothered with seeing homeless people or caring about genocide. It hurts me to care, so I just won’t.” crowd. And every last one of them is a “magical empath” with more empathy than anyone ever had ever. They’re the mostest empathetic and don’t question it!

[-] DandomRude@lemmy.world 30 points 5 days ago

I would say that empathy should be a basic requirement for any political office in a democracy. Anyone who lacks empathy is simply unsuitable, because you have to be able to put yourself in the voters' shoes in order to fulfill your mandate as an elected representative of the people.

Empathy would also be highly desirable in business leaders, as the purpose of the economy is to serve society and distribute goods at least somewhat fairly.

In our dark times, however, when politics and business mainly serve to maintain the power of those who are already powerful, it is hardly surprising that someone who is interested in doing just that propagates such idiotic ideas as "toxic empathy."

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[-] protist@mander.xyz 24 points 5 days ago

I'm old enough to remember in 2009 when Obama nominated Sonia Sotomayor for the Supreme Court, mentioning empathy as one of the characteristics he valued in her, and the right melted down

[-] snek_boi@lemmy.ml 17 points 5 days ago

This comment will probably seem tone-deaf at best and malicious at worst. I want to be clear that I am not saying people shouldn't be empathetic. I'm not saying that empathy-based morality is a problem. I'm not saying being a bigot is okay. So what am I saying?

It's just that yesterday I learned from the Healthy Minds program that empathy can sometimes be problematic, and that the solution is compassion.

The problem has to do with the fact that some service workers are immersed in workplaces filled with suffering. Think of nurses. Think of first-aid responders. These people constantly see human suffering. And if these service workers empathize with the suffering, they themselves can suffer immensely.

The solution, the Healthy Minds program claims, is to not be empathetic, but compassionate. The difference is that empathy, at its core, is about understanding and feeling what others are thinking and feeling. However, compassion is about understanding others enough to be able to understand their difficulties, and (crucially) wishing them well. Empathy over-identifies with suffering and compassion believes suffering is the current reality but improvements are possible.

If you are interested in reading about this, it's ironic that the Wikipedia article is titled "Compassion fatigue". I suppose that the Healthy Minds app uses different definitions than the Wikipedia article.

Anyway, I will do what the program suggests and wish you all the best!

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[-] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 17 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Not sure what the article is getting at, but there’s a thing called “weaponized empathy” - or “concern trolling” - which is a bad-faith argumentation tactic where you pretend to be worried about someone, when in reality you’re just using that as a cover for judgment or hostility.

It can also be used more broadly. Think of how often “think of the children” gets trotted out as a justification to invade people’s privacy, when the supposed concern for kids’ wellbeing is really just an excuse.

[-] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The line below the title tells you everything you need to know about what the article is getting at.

How Allie Beth Stuckey is holding the line on the right.

This is about not empathizing with the "wrong people" and making sure to see everything through a "Christian" lens. I put Christian in quotes because this isn't according to the actual teachings of Jesus Christ but the interpretation of the Christian Fundamental movement which sees anyone who doesn't identify as one of them as an enemy to be either converted or destroyed and anyone not confirming to the "natural" standard (I.E. Trans and Homosexuals) should be condemned as irredeemably immoral. These people are basically the ISIS of Christianity.

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[-] MehBlah@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago

Toxic empathy can only harm the person who has it. In truth you have to be a little selfish. The trouble with anyone who thinks empathy is really toxic are the ones who are too selfish.

[-] BabyVi@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago

Conservative Christians are fundamentally incapable of understanding the concept of a social contract in a pluralistic society. They'll console themselves with the belief that empathy is a sin whilst stepping on our necks with the authority of the state.

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