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[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 143 points 1 month ago

Captain G. M. Gilbert, the Army psychologist assigned to watching the defendants at the Nuremberg trials:

“In my work with the defendants, I was searching for the nature of evil and I now think I have come close to defining it. A lack of empathy. It’s the one characteristic that connects all the defendants, a genuine incapacity to feel with their fellow men. Evil, I think, is the absence of empathy.”

[-] fckreddit@lemmy.ml 116 points 1 month ago

Christ: Please be kind.

Christians: Empathy is toxic.

[-] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago

there are plenty of kind Christians who are absolute pieces of shit

[-] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Exactly, their kindness only extends the people they know who look like them.

[-] the_q@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Christ: didn't exist

Christians: This is what Jesus said and meant I know for a fact!!!!

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[-] the_q@lemmy.zip 56 points 1 month ago

It's frustrating to read Christians trying to distinguish themselves from one another based on interpretations of a book while also all believing in a magical creature that lives in the clouds who will both condemn someone to an eternity of torture and provide unconditional love and acceptance.

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 30 points 1 month ago

The idea that anything anyone could ever do warrants an infinite amount of suffering is crazy.

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[-] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

unconditional* love

* terms and conditions apply

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[-] Brutticus@midwest.social 15 points 1 month ago

Is there a slur for christians?

[-] offspec@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago
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[-] Botzo@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

These sorts? Absolutely.

My favorites:

  • y'all qaeda
  • talibangelicals
[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 14 points 1 month ago

Christofascist is arguably both a slur and a precise, factual description

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[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Bible Humper

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[-] unconsequential@slrpnk.net 40 points 1 month ago

Ah “toxic empathy” this is the “I need to protect my mental health— I can’t be bothered with seeing homeless people or caring about genocide. It hurts me to care, so I just won’t.” crowd. And every last one of them is a “magical empath” with more empathy than anyone ever had ever. They’re the mostest empathetic and don’t question it!

[-] MNByChoice@midwest.social 33 points 1 month ago

Sadly, this is a thing.

(Note: I am not encouraging one to read the link.)

Witnessing to Liberals by Ron Rhodes

God’s primary attribute is said to be love. His holiness, judgment, and wrath are practically ignored. Thus, it is not surprising that liberal Christians hold out the hope of immortality for all people. The idea that any will spend eternity in hell is rejected.

The writing spends a lot of time arguing against the "mischaracterizations of evangelicals", while mischaracterizing "liberal Christians".

Such a horrible out world view.

(I don't care to find out what this detestable person has to say about Atheists.)

[-] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The idea that any will spend eternity in hell is rejected.

Hell isn't a scriptural concept, it was taken and evolved from Hellenism. While I'm deconstructed, I know several "leftist Christians" that reject most modern evangelical dogma as "unscriptural." I agree with them, but there is no ethical justification for things like "God told the Israelites to genocide an entire people, including babies." At the end of the day, even if you agree with Jesus' humanist teaching, the Bible is full to the brim with "God" ostensibly telling people to do horrible, unjust, repugnant things.

[-] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 month ago

The hell everyone thinks of was basically just biblical fan fiction.

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Most people’s understanding of Satan and Hell is more from Milton and Dante than from the Bible. With the “Rapture”, it’s all Tim LaHeye, Hal Lindsey and basement church videos regurgitation of John Darby.

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[-] LethargicPuppy14@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 month ago

Against my best judgement, I read the whole thing. (You practically begged me to!) He's just offering incredibly disingenuous "talking points" for "liberal Christians" that are actually things you might say to an atheist. The whole thing just exists to characterize non-conservative Christians as fake Christians.

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[-] DandomRude@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago

I would say that empathy should be a basic requirement for any political office in a democracy. Anyone who lacks empathy is simply unsuitable, because you have to be able to put yourself in the voters' shoes in order to fulfill your mandate as an elected representative of the people.

Empathy would also be highly desirable in business leaders, as the purpose of the economy is to serve society and distribute goods at least somewhat fairly.

In our dark times, however, when politics and business mainly serve to maintain the power of those who are already powerful, it is hardly surprising that someone who is interested in doing just that propagates such idiotic ideas as "toxic empathy."

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[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 month ago

Religion. The only mental illness not in the DSM.

[-] mondomon@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Don't forget to add the fascism subtype.

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[-] Core_of_Arden@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 month ago

There's no such thing as toxic empathy. If it's hurting others, it's not empathy.

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[-] Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago

You know who I blame? Jesus. Going round teaching people to care about one another regardless of creed and colour. His toxic empathy has really ruined Christianity.

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[-] protist@mander.xyz 24 points 1 month ago

I'm old enough to remember in 2009 when Obama nominated Sonia Sotomayor for the Supreme Court, mentioning empathy as one of the characteristics he valued in her, and the right melted down

[-] SCmSTR 23 points 1 month ago

They're SO DAMN CLOSE TO ACTUALLY BEING SELF AWARE

[-] BiteSizedZeitGeist@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

So, this is controversial, but when I hear "toxic masculinity" I understand that it means that not all masculinity is toxic, but masculinity can have toxic forms. In the interest of using precise language, I do believe that, in the realm of all possibilities, there can conceivably be toxic forms of empathy.

Now, I don't think that left/progressive ideals are toxic in general, and certainly aren't toxic when they're based in empathy and compassion. And I realize that the "side" that coined the phrase "toxic empathy" is also the side that thinks "toxic masculinity" is an absolute phrase. So it would make sense that right/conservative people would think "oh we'll call ideals we don't like toxic, like the libs do with masculinity" without any deeper understanding.

Just want to be pedantic to try to keep the capital-D Discourse on the nature of empathy from becoming black-and-white polarized.

[-] splendoruranium@infosec.pub 11 points 1 month ago

In the interest of using precise language, I do believe that, in the realm of all possibilities, there can conceivably be toxic forms of empathy.

Which situations can you conceive that would be made worse by all involved parties understanding each others feelings?

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[-] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 month ago

No surprises that MAGA wants to teach that we shouldn't consider someone elses position. Its their way or the highway.

[-] snek_boi@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 month ago

This comment will probably seem tone-deaf at best and malicious at worst. I want to be clear that I am not saying people shouldn't be empathetic. I'm not saying that empathy-based morality is a problem. I'm not saying being a bigot is okay. So what am I saying?

It's just that yesterday I learned from the Healthy Minds program that empathy can sometimes be problematic, and that the solution is compassion.

The problem has to do with the fact that some service workers are immersed in workplaces filled with suffering. Think of nurses. Think of first-aid responders. These people constantly see human suffering. And if these service workers empathize with the suffering, they themselves can suffer immensely.

The solution, the Healthy Minds program claims, is to not be empathetic, but compassionate. The difference is that empathy, at its core, is about understanding and feeling what others are thinking and feeling. However, compassion is about understanding others enough to be able to understand their difficulties, and (crucially) wishing them well. Empathy over-identifies with suffering and compassion believes suffering is the current reality but improvements are possible.

If you are interested in reading about this, it's ironic that the Wikipedia article is titled "Compassion fatigue". I suppose that the Healthy Minds app uses different definitions than the Wikipedia article.

Anyway, I will do what the program suggests and wish you all the best!

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[-] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Not sure what the article is getting at, but there’s a thing called “weaponized empathy” - or “concern trolling” - which is a bad-faith argumentation tactic where you pretend to be worried about someone, when in reality you’re just using that as a cover for judgment or hostility.

It can also be used more broadly. Think of how often “think of the children” gets trotted out as a justification to invade people’s privacy, when the supposed concern for kids’ wellbeing is really just an excuse.

[-] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The line below the title tells you everything you need to know about what the article is getting at.

How Allie Beth Stuckey is holding the line on the right.

This is about not empathizing with the "wrong people" and making sure to see everything through a "Christian" lens. I put Christian in quotes because this isn't according to the actual teachings of Jesus Christ but the interpretation of the Christian Fundamental movement which sees anyone who doesn't identify as one of them as an enemy to be either converted or destroyed and anyone not confirming to the "natural" standard (I.E. Trans and Homosexuals) should be condemned as irredeemably immoral. These people are basically the ISIS of Christianity.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 12 points 1 month ago

Like all the "why would you vote for Genocide Joe?" people who suddenly disappeared when Trump took charge...

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[-] MehBlah@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

Toxic empathy can only harm the person who has it. In truth you have to be a little selfish. The trouble with anyone who thinks empathy is really toxic are the ones who are too selfish.

[-] MunkysUnkEnz0@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

i don't understand how empathy can be toxic.....

[-] EmptySlime 9 points 1 month ago

It absolutely can be if you let it get out of control. I still struggle with it in fact. It can cause emotional burnout, wreck your mental health, things like that. To be fair, even the "good" version of this gets weaponized to ignore causes that someone might not want to care about without "being a bad person" all the time. Think the "I have to prioritize my own mental health" types who only seem to have energy for issues that directly affect them. Again having limited emotional energy isn't the issue, being disingenuous about it is.

But that's not what this freak is talking about. What this freak is talking about amounts to "Empathy is reserved for the in-group. If it impedes our efforts or contradicts our dogma, then it's toxic empathy," basically.

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[-] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Neither does the woman who defined the term and wrote a whole book about it.

Ruinous Empathy is an interesting concept, but unfortunately much like toxic empathy (but without the obvious malintent from the start), it's mostly used by psychopaths in positions of power to justify their antisocial behaviours in environments that generally forbid it.

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 13 points 1 month ago

Is that what they're now calling "virtue signalling"?

Ugh, don't you just hate it when people care about someone other than themselves?

[-] BabyVi@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Conservative Christians are fundamentally incapable of understanding the concept of a social contract in a pluralistic society. They'll console themselves with the belief that empathy is a sin whilst stepping on our necks with the authority of the state.

[-] Tempus_Fugit@midwest.social 11 points 1 month ago

Sometimes I really believe I have died and gone to hell. WTF did I do to deserve this crap?

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[-] Areldyb@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

For those who might want to know what she means by that phrase, here's the full interview (archive). It's... certainly a viewpoint.

[-] Zozano@aussie.zone 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

TL;DR

if compassion leads to affirming trans rights, understanding racism, or treating asylum seekers like humans, it’s “toxic"

[-] VubDapple@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Its toxic because allowing one's self to have such empathy would cause one to question Christian dogma and thus it must be toxic. Rigid conformity must be maintained at all costs.

[-] dermanus@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 month ago

Too much of anything can be bad, but in North America Christian evangelicals could use more empathy.

People are leaving churches over "woke" sermons like caring for the needy or turning the other cheek.

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