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Network guy doesn't work (self.talesfromtechsupport)
submitted 2 weeks ago by scuppie to c/talesfromtechsupport@lemmy.world

One day I'm introduced to the new Networks guy. He seems.. fine? But I get a vibe from him I can't shake. He's sort of vague and noncommittal about everything. Which I empathise with, its his first day and I get the impression he's a recent graduate. I've been doing this job for decades and I still don't have the confidence to talk in absolutes when there's even a .01% chance of outliers or being caught wrong. Benefit of doubt is given.

It's quickly withdrawn. I was projecting my low self esteem onto him. He like me has a level of confidence mismatched to his abilities, but in the polar opposite to mine. We're all the new kid at some point in our careers, we all start somewhere. I'm more than happy to support him. But it soon becomes clear we don't share the same understanding of what support means.

"Hey, I need your help with something"

Sure what's up?

"A switch needs moving"

...yeah? And how can I help?

"...can you move it?"

..........I can help you move it, sure.

"Oh. Thank you"

So he's never installed rack equipment? Neither had I, until my first time. No worries, I'm still learning stuff all the time.

Grab yourself some ladders and I'll meet you with the toolkit.

"I'm sorry?"

You'll need ladders.

I may have put slight emphasis on "you". After a silent moment of mutual blank stares passes I think he hasn't quite understood what is happening but has chosen to go one step at a time. He goes off for ladders and we meet in the server room. I find the switch and I hand him a screwdriver. He holds this like a curious relic for a moment, and after quiet contemplation his gaze turns back to me.

Two screws on either side, undo those so we can move it please.

"Here and here?"

Yes, just those.

It's only going up a few Us in the rack, we don't even need to unplug anything. He looks to me for next steps. I talk him through the rack mount clip nuts and hold the switch for him while he screws the bolts back in.

"Oh so it's actually very simple!"

Yes, if you need a second pair of hands again next time I'm happy to help. But you got this now yeah?

"Yeah!"

Over the next months I get the odd message asking me to check or patch something. I feed this back to my line management. Job roles are reaffirmed. He is to ask for my support only in times where it is physically not a one person job. I hear much less from him until...

"Can you help me installing this firewall?"

Of course, where?

"Here, just above this router"

...I'm not sure what you need me for. It just rests on top of the existing kit. You don't need a second person for this.

A couple of days go by. Firewall is still sat on a desk. I mind my own business.

"Can you help me with this firewall?"

How so?

"I don't know how to mount it"

Same as last time, four nuts four bolts.

"It isn't that way in the instructions"

Fair enough, it isn't. They have steps to attach a sliding mount and he can't figure it out.

"I can't see how this attaches"

Looks like you have instructions that don't match the parts provided. This is a fixed bracket, not a sliding one.

"How can I install it then?"

Just attach the bracket and ignore the sliders and the runners.

"But that isn't in the instructions?"

I don't have what isn't in the box, dude.

"Then what would I do?"

I'm sure there is documentation on the manufacturers website.

I try my very best to maintain my neutral face long enough for him to click that I'm not offering to research this for him. I am not at all comfortable with this. For a friend or a colleague with a better mutually supportive relationship I would be there for anything he asked. I feel unkind, honestly. But management have made clear to him and to me where our responsibility lies and ends. Plus enabling helplessness is no favour to him as a professional. It's not his lack of experience at fault. It's an attitude that someone else is going to be far less gentle about challenging. We don't have the same line management but his role is above mine, I have no place to say more. All I do is make mention of it and forget about it.

"Can you help me with another job?"

What is it you need from me?

"Can you do xyz for me?"

I'm available to support you to do this yes.

"I'm just not really a hands on guy, can you do this for me?"

This is communicated up several levels of both lines of management. Last I heard it was explained to him in no uncertain terms that his role was not limited to what could be accomplished via SSH from his desk, and if he wanted a career as a network engineer he better step beyond his days in a university classroom network lab and join the world of skills being actually practised.

I still have mixed feelings about letting him learn the hard way. It's not how I would approach someone I was responsible for or senior to. The reality is at this company I would have been told to know my place at the very bottom rung on the ladder and not presume to interfere. I will never, ever take a management role.

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[-] slazer2au@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago

Yea, I've had someone like that under me.

Worked for a wireless ISP and it was stipulated several times that climbing on roofs and radio towers was part of the work and because of that everyone has to do a 2 day working at heights safety course.

New guy gets hired and sent to the course, we heard on the second day that the guy won't be passing the course because he refused to do any of the practical assessments.
He shows up on the third day with the boss asking why he failed the course it is required to work and the dude just says he is scared of heights.

Like seriously, the job posing says climbing radio towers and working on roofs and was asked several times in the interview how he handles heights.

Needless to say he didn't come in on the fourth day.

[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 11 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah im a tech guy and when I see something like climbing towers I do not apply to those. There has been this thing about people automating their job search and makes me wonder if that is what that guy did.

[-] scuppie 7 points 2 weeks ago

I'm not so old that I'm of the generation that assumed a job was for life. I've never seen any of them as forever jobs. But if I'm doing something full time for what 2-5 years I'm going to take the time to find out what's involved and make a choice if that's what I want to do.

Unless that guy thought the same thing, but, I don't want to climb ladders - THEY better get used to that clicks APPLY

[-] superduperpirate@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

Back when I still worked in IT, I got asked by a new inexperienced support person to come to a different building (complete opposite side of campus) and help him out because he was having trouble repunching a data drop in somebody’s office. The guy was fairly new, and I wanted to procrastinate on the project I had at my desk, so I didn’t mind going to help him out.

I hop in the golf cart, drive several minutes, park, walk to the office where he was, and ask him to step aside so I can demonstrate while he watches. The data drop had a big desk in front of it that couldn’t be easily moved.

By the time I get into position to demonstrate, I look up and see he’s nowhere in sight. I go looking around, and he’s in an office a few doors down engaged in a bullshitting session with another employee.

I tell myself “fuck this i’m not his lackey” grab my stuff and leave without saying anything

[-] scuppie 11 points 2 weeks ago

I had a job where the culture was all you know and all you do is what you're told, and fuck you for asking. I have bitter memories of being scolded for not knowing something I'd never been asked to work on before and wasn't even aware of it's existence. It's so painful to read your story of taking the time to provide training and it being not just unappreciated but disrespected.

[-] Zorsith 5 points 2 weeks ago

Being able to just fuck off and go work on something else for a couple hours is seriously underrated. I haven't worked on a campus per se but sounds similar to military base work (if a bit smaller in scale)

[-] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 2 weeks ago

Some people are curious. Others are not. Some people have hobbies. But I’m a firm believer that those two traits are the reason people say “I’m not handy” and then can’t do something as simple as screwing 8 screws into a captive nut. You have to try. I have no time for these people.

My mood dictates how I help new people, but I try to help them learn it rather than giving the answer, or give the answer in an explanatory way. But the key is that they’re asking for help with a problem, not shirking a task that is too hands-on for them to figure out.

[-] scuppie 10 points 2 weeks ago

Agreed. Because of the type of people I normally train and the subject, I start with asking what their experience is. Comfortable with BIOS, networking, drivers? OK cool I'm going to assume then you know enough to follow, don't hesitate to stop me if i mention something or use an acronym you don't understand but let's continue optimistically that you have that knowledge. I think its better for their confidence that I don't explain DHCP unless they ask. It's a form if respect in my view.

The key difference as you mentioned is they sought out my knowledge instead of having it thrust upon them like with this guy. He honestly seemed confused what the relevance was to him, if it was important it would have come up on his course, no? The relevance is to your fucking job my friend.

I wouldn't trade places with him for anything but it amazes me he can walk into his first job with a starting salary I'll never achieve with such contempt for a simple screwdriver.

[-] adhocfungus@midwest.social 3 points 1 week ago

"I'm not handy" always makes me mad. People call me handy because I do things others hire professionals for. But I'm not handy either. I don't enjoy doing these things, and I don't magically have the knowledge to do it. I look up tutorials or videos of how to do it and get my hands bruised or bloody. You don't need a character trait or label to accomplish these things, you just need to commit and accept that it won't be fun.

[-] Davel23@fedia.io 11 points 2 weeks ago

I still don't have the confidence to talk in absolutes

Speaking as a 30-year IT veteran, never talk in absolutes.

[-] scuppie 12 points 2 weeks ago

Yep.

"How sure are you about this?

Ooooh.. 99%?

"So you're pretty confident"

What? No I couldn't have less faith in this unless I saw it fail with my own two eyes.

[-] Zorsith 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Shit, i was thrilled to get away from my desk now and again when i was working support

[-] scuppie 6 points 2 weeks ago

Same. I've more than done my time on hardware but the occasional nostalgic thrill of getting hands on is still a delight.

[-] Zorsith 2 points 2 weeks ago

Its very satisfying to drop a decommissioned industrial label printer (and the esoteric custom networking device that allowed it to even receive print jobs over a modern network) onto a concrete floor after getting its replacement(s) working 😁

[-] scuppie 2 points 1 week ago

I will not deny you your joy and I understand that feeling of exorcism. But when its someone else's exorcism do you ever feel that primal impulse to intervene and not destroy that device, until you too have also tried and failed to restore it? And even if you did, to what end? It's useless. You could save it. And no one will thank you. That ancient barcode scanner. The thermal receipt printer. Once it was the most sought after tool in your office. Now it is worth less than the fourth cheapest mobile phone you keep to occupy your infant and his curious exploratory teeth.

One day we will all hear that piezo bios speaker cry out, LOOK TO THE RAM, THE RAM!! for the final time. And we will not recognise its passing. Like that day you pressed that AT power button and knew silence. And that day you hit that ATX button assured of imminent quiet.

Now you dig and scrape and claw your fingernail over a miniscule bar shaped button and press your ear, hoping to catch a whirr delayed or a belated faint screen glow or a deferred squeak.

I loved you, BIOS

With a tearful shuddering whimper I surrender. It's UEFI now. Please. Maybe this time. If I wish hard enough, and BELIEVE. Maybe this time it will turn on. Am I not sufficiently penitent, UEFI? Grant me a sign. A dim LED, a blank yet powered backlit screen. A whisper of life. Please, turn on. Please turn on and heed my F12. Please. Please fucking bastard PXE boot. Please.

Oh you fucking cunt. I hate that spinning white circle. Shift+F10 and shutdown -s -t 0. Fuck me please, don't ever boot to OOBE again. Please don't make me wait or wonder. JUST BRING ME THE RAT IN THE CAGE

"......

I love big brother"

[-] owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 weeks ago

Sounds like you did everything you could given the situation. Unfortunately, it's not that hard to make it through college (at least it wasn't in the program I did). I've seen plenty of new hires with this attitude. Though I prefer it to the combative ones (sure, you're a fresh grad and I've been programming in C for 15 years, but go ahead and explain how my understanding of pointers is wrong).

[-] scuppie 4 points 2 weeks ago

I've seen in some people, to a degree I'm guilty of this too, that "professional self preservation" is something only experience can teach.

[-] owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago

I work with a lot of college students. One of the most important things I try to convey is what I call "appropriate corporate apathy." That is, doing your best while setting appropriate boundaries.

The idiom I repeat often is, "the prize for winning the pie-eating contest is more pie."

[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 7 points 2 weeks ago

I don't get that as there is entirely to much desk work (well when I was working) in general and getting the chance to move equipment and cables to me is a treat.

[-] qarbone@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Meanwhile I'm so scared of seeming incompetent, I work undocumented hours on the weekend to try and get stuff right on my own.

[-] quetzaldilla@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Never work for free, because that just becomes the expectation.

[-] Psaldorn@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Sounds like Gabe from Silicon Valley.

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