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[-] vaguerant@fedia.io 185 points 2 days ago

For those who didn't follow the link:

But what was the reason for Henry’s condemnation by the University to five and a half centuries of infamy? It was a murder. In 1242 he and a number of other men of the town of Oxford were found guilty of murdering a student of the University. Henry and his accomplices were fined £80 by King Henry III in May 1242 and were made to leave Oxford as a result, forced to stay away (and allowed no closer than Northampton) at least until the King returned from abroad.

Further research is needed to discover the exact details of what happened here but it seems that Henry Symeonis had bought the King’s pardon and his permission to return to Oxford. The King was willing to allow his return if the University agreed to it. But the University refused and chose to ignore the King’s order of 25 March 1264, resuming its hostility to Henry Symeonis. In fact, it felt so strongly about it, that it gave Henry Symeonis the unique honour of being named in its own statutes, making the University’s dislike of him official and perpetual.

[-] jaybone@lemmy.zip 62 points 2 days ago

So they did know who he was and what he did.

[-] EfreetSK@lemmy.world 36 points 2 days ago

Yes but only because of a guy in 1910s who looked into it

The identity of Henry Symeonis was only (re-)discovered in 1912 by the then Keeper of the University Archives, Reginald Lane Poole. In an article for the English Historical Review, he looked at the curious statute and tried to get to the bottom of the Henry Symeonis mystery.

[-] foggianism@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago

"By 1608, SOME people didn't know who he was. We mention them here for higher article clickability."

[-] Mac@mander.xyz 6 points 1 day ago

National Archives gov uk says £80 in 1270 is approx £78k in 2025

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 23 points 2 days ago

Fair on them really.

[-] errer@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

Sounds like people do know who he was and what he had done. Clickbait headline.

[-] chaogomu@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago

Sometimes knowledge is lost and then later rediscovered.

[-] Saleh@feddit.org 14 points 2 days ago

Man, boarding school kids always got the easy treatment.

[-] IWW4@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 days ago

Wonder why it was only Masters of Arts students?

Or was that the only Masters Degree Oxford had?

[-] jaybone@lemmy.zip 38 points 2 days ago

Their Computer Science department sucked back then.

[-] IWW4@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 days ago

They didn't even write unit tests!

[-] angrystego@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago
[-] Cyberflunk@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Henry Symeonis was a wealthy English townsman from Oxford in the 13th century, best known for his role in a notorious and long-lasting tradition at the University of Oxford. In 1242, Symeonis, along with several other Oxford townspeople, was convicted of murdering a university student—a crime that exemplified the violent tensions between the academic community and the local population at the time[1][3][5][6][7][8][9].

In response to this murder, King Henry III fined Symeonis and his accomplices £80 (a significant sum then) and ordered them to leave Oxford, forbidding their return until the King himself came back from abroad. Records indicate that Symeonis returned to Oxford not long after, and by 1243 he was again involved in local property dealings[1][3][5][7][9].

A particularly unusual consequence followed: despite a royal pardon issued in 1264 allowing Symeonis to live peacefully in Oxford if he behaved, the University of Oxford refused to forgive or forget. In protest, the university created a symbolic ritual—every new graduate had to swear an oath never to be reconciled with Henry Symeonis. This ritual persisted for over 550 years, embedded in university regulations until 1827, despite the eventual loss of memory about the original cause[1][3][5][6][7][8][9][10].

The enduring “oath of hatred” illustrates the deep divide and continuing animosity between the university (“gown”) and the local population (“town”) in medieval Oxford, as well as the university’s assertion of institutional memory and identity over royal authority[6]. The full story behind the oath and the identity of Symeonis was forgotten for centuries and rediscovered only in 1912 by University archivist Reginald Lane Poole[1][3][5][9].

Sources [1] Henry Symeonis - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Symeonis [2] The persistence of tradition: the curious case of Henry Symeonis https://www.reddit.com/r/BritishHistoryPod/comments/18m0ouk/the_persistence_of_tradition_the_curious_case_of/ [3] The persistence of tradition: the curious case of Henry Symeonis https://blogs.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/archivesandmanuscripts/2023/12/13/the-persistence-of-tradition-the-curious-case-of-henry-symeonis/ [4] The curious case of Henry Symeonis (or Simeonis). https://roseandcrownoxford.com/latest-news/17267/ [5] Hating Henry Symeonis: An Oxford University Tradition https://www.amusingplanet.com/2025/03/hating-henry-symeonis-oxford-university.html [6] The oath of hatred against Henry Symeonis - how a murder case in the Middle Ages became a ritual of remembrance - Psychotherapie Berlin https://www.praxis-psychologie-berlin.de/en/wikiblog-english/articles/the-oath-of-hatred-against-henry-symeonis-how-a-murder-case-in-the-middle-ages-became-a-ritual-of-remembrance [7] For over 500 years, Oxford graduates pledged to hate Henry ... https://www.zmescience.com/feature-post/culture/bizarre-stories/for-over-500-years-oxford-graduates-pledged-to-hate-henry-symeonis-so-who-is-he/ [8] Henry Symeonis – Wikipedia https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Symeonis [9] December 2023 – Archives and Manuscripts at the Bodleian Library https://blogs.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/archivesandmanuscripts/2023/12/ [10] For 500 Years, Every Student Who Attained a BA from Oxford Had to ... https://www.openculture.com/2023/12/for-500-years-every-student-who-attained-a-ba-from-oxford-had-to-swear-enmity-towards-henry-symeonis.html

[-] Epzillon@lemmy.world 72 points 2 days ago

Fuck Henry Symeonis, all my homies hate Henry Symeonis.

[-] doublebatterypack@piefed.social 43 points 2 days ago

I'm going to try and make "You look like you're friends with Henry Symeonis" a casual insult. Wish me luck.

[-] Adulated_Aspersion@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

Your mom is friends with Henry Symeonis.

[-] turdburglar@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 days ago
[-] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

Stop trying to make fetch happen

[-] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago

Spite is one of the greatest human emotions.

[-] khannie@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

So much has been achieved because of it. Hell the moon landings were a massive fuck you.

[-] burgersc12@mander.xyz 44 points 2 days ago

I know what you did in 1263

[-] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 13 points 2 days ago

Was it in summer '63?

[-] Ulvain@sh.itjust.works 40 points 2 days ago

Forget, but don't forgive!

[-] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 days ago

I don't know who you are or what you did, but fuck you!

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

I wonder what would have happened if someone refused to swear. I'm the kind of stubborn bastard that would refuse to swear to something I didn't understand. I imagine the university probably just ignored it if someone refused to swear because it wasn't worth the headache to deal with someone refusing.

[-] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 10 points 2 days ago

A grudge worse than the sin, apparently.

[-] obvs@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

So over time, the number of people lying about that particular statement reduced, until it was eventually zero.

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