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submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by MonsterBug@sh.itjust.works to c/fediverselore@lemmy.ca

Its a shame because they're prominent voice on lemmy. Good on the admins for not tolerating this. I don't understand the point of targeting a person you don't like on the internet just because they said something that upset you and spamming their post with downvotes. If you don't like someone block their ass and be done with it. I agree with the perspective that its harassment (and an incredibly petty ineffective form of it at that)

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[-] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 55 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Good on the admins for not tolerating this.

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How many downvotes exactly are we talking about here?

Is it, like, two hundred? Or is it, like, ten?

Edit: Wait, what the fuck? I got bored and checked it more. How did dbzer0 pick literally the most helpful and drama-free of all possible Lemmy users to ban? As far as I can tell, literally the only thing the dude does is post about cool stuff and chat. I didn't even know he was active as a moderator in any real capacity.

checks profile to see if he actually did confess to mass-downvoting dozens of votes at some user or some other sin that, while objectively not "abusive," might have been at least arguably not ideal or something

One of the first things I found was:

The only reason it’s “Vote Blue no matter who” is because right now, in America’s FPTP system, the Dems are the only real alternative in most areas to the GOP. It’s a pithy saying, not a political essay. The lesson is not “LOYALTY TO COMRADE BIDEN”, but “Don’t throw your vote away on a symbolic action; preventing fascism is more important than virtue signaling to no one, especially since ballots are secret”

Ooooohhh.... oh. Oh.

Good fuckin' God man. dbzer0, we love you, quit trippin'. Just relax. Not everyone you don't like or agree with is "abusive."

[-] ada 38 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

drama-free of all possible Lemmy users

That's... not how I would describe the user.

They're banned from blahaj lemmy for repeated and ongoing gatekeeping and they've got a mile long modlog...

[-] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 30 points 1 week ago

Specifically, he said (among other similar things):

There's an argument to be made for neopronouns in the following cases: - People who don't like 'They' as singular - People who believe there should be a neopronoun(s) that is not simply neutral/neuter, but explicitly for NB identities To the first, I will die on this grammatical hill, but I also acknowledge that it's a matter of taste. If you want to push for Xe/Xim or whichever as gender-neutral-singular, that's fine, and I'll respect your pronouns, but I really do think that 'they' is perfectly serviceable as-is and we should just expand usage of it. If the cultural zeitgeist goes against it, though, it's whatever, if Xe/Xim becomes the new norm, I'll swap to Xe/Xim. To the second, I understand the argument, but I find it non-intuitive. I'll respect the pronouns of people who want a dozen different new pronouns added to the lexicon, but I'll also vehemently argue against the practice. Pronouns are meant to streamline communication, and gendered language itself is something of a relict.

"Gatekeeping." Ban.

This whole thing is stupid. I don't even want to step into or bring up the other big relevant issue that caused strife because it's even stupider than that.

You guys are fuckin' with this guy because he did downvoting, and because he expressed what overall sounded to me like pretty reasonable opinions honestly.

People aren't hating on you here. It's fine. You don't have to turn everyone into an enemy.

[-] scintilla 21 points 1 week ago

am I misunderstanding the definition of gatekeeping? It sounds like he doesn't like neo-pronouns because the complicate language and he sees them as pointless but will still use them?

Is from when blajah was bending over backwards to defend drag?

[-] ada@piefed.blahaj.zone 27 points 1 week ago

Drag is banned from blahaj. Gatekeeping people's identities and pronouns is still against the rules.

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[-] ada@piefed.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 week ago

And if it was a single comment, you'd have a point, but it was ongoing, repeated and deliberate arguments in a space that had explicit rules against what he was doing, rules that he understood. And rather than following the rules, or posting in other communities, he brought it up over and over again, arguing that he has the right to decide other people's identities.

And when banned for it, he made sure to keep adding flames to the fire.

Whatever else he is, he is not drama free.

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[-] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago

Over the freaking Drag troll issue. You'll forgive us if not everybody shares the same opinion of who's creating the drama in that particular case.

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[-] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
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[-] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 week ago

Check out PJs LW modlog, it's not all rainbows and sunshine. I know you love to do that anyway.

Nobody accused him of "mass downvoting", that's a strawman. What he was accused of was harassing one of our users, looking him up for the specific purpose of downvoting past posts/comments and to leave salty comments and reports on old threads like a goddam stalker, because he's an angry turbolib who blames the left (and Eugene in particular, for some reason) for the pathetic failure of the corporate-c**k-sucking Democrats to defeat Donald Trump. There is plenty of evidence for all of those things.

At the very least, his behaviour around this has been petty and childish, not great qualities in a mod. And if he was even a slightly reasonable person, he probably wouldn't have quit our instance in a huff, and started up a personal grudge community to stir up pointless drama all because of a 7 day temp ban. Like just how fragile is his ego, anyway? We've all copped short bans without going into a full breakdown about it.

And it's pretty well known by now (except for you it seems) PJ has a bad temper, and that he's been losing his shit more and more lately. He even states as such in his profile. While I do feel empathy for the fact he lives in chronic pain, that's no excuse for harassing one of our users in this manner.

I believe that Eugene was sincere in his complaint, and he was very upset by the situation. PJ has all the power in this situation as a "power mod" and very active poster. Eugene is just a random user who was targeted for his political stance. And the fact you are defending PJ here instead of believing the victim is concerning to me. Much like the "believe women" slogan during the #metoo movement, my default position is to believe my upset users, not to side with the person bullying them. That's just how we roll at dbzer0 and I'm not gonna apologize for it.

I mean, what's the difference between your position here and something like, "Harvey Weinstein has made lots of great movies and nobody else has complained about him, so that woman must be lying"? There is no difference. PJ is just busy trying to launder his bruised reputation imo, and you are helping him with that project.

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[-] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

How did dbzer0 pick literally the most helpful and drama-free of all possible Lemmy users to ban?

Assuming you're not a PJ alt, I was surprised by your comment. It got me thinking.

I'm beginning to wonder if PJ has a psychological disorder. They have stretches of being a nice, helpful person, interspersed with being a melodramatic, rage baiting, borderline troll shit stirrer. They tend to delete many of their shitty comments, showing they know the behaviour is wrong, but are still known and disliked by many for that behaviour.

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[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago

I didn't even know he was active as a moderator in any real capacity.

They're a mod for MeanwhileOnGrad of all places and you've regularly engaged in the same debates they get embroiled in. This feels like some strange feigned ignorance.

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 week ago

Unsurprising, that user is a power-poster and power-mod that constantly tries to shit-stir. Figured it was only a matter of time before something like this happened.

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[-] JASN_DE@feddit.org 24 points 1 week ago

Why did you feel the need to censor the user name? You know the modlog is public?

[-] MonsterBug@sh.itjust.works 48 points 1 week ago

Mostly trying to abide by the somewhat imprecise rules of the community as a formality.

When posting screenshots of drama, you must obscure the identity of all the participants.

I have to 'obscure the identity of the participant in the screenshot' in this context meaning blurring usernames, sure no problem. Nobody ever said anything about obscuring non- personally identifying information sources - like the community the modlog came from - that interested people can go out of their way to track down.

[-] JASN_DE@feddit.org 10 points 1 week ago

Huh. Yeah, makes sense.

[-] Canyon201@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

this JOKER made a community to WHINE about their Ls

edit because i forgot to post the LINK!

https://piefed.social/c/fediverseslander

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago

Deeply unserious behavior.

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 week ago

Holy shit this is hilarious, my God. Terminally online behaviour.

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[-] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 week ago

Prominent is certainly a choice of words

I wouldnt be surprised if he was the source of the majority if mod reports the last few days - some time off would do him good.

[-] misteloct@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Dbzer0 mods temp banned me for trolling recently. I was actually taken aback because on Reddit my sarcasm would be pretty mild. Can't argue with the premise, glad our mods are trying to make Lemmy less toxic and I learned a valuable lesson actually. Just disengage and move on.

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 week ago

I'm not really seeing any receipts, so I'm going to have to go with "power tripping admins abusing power" on this one.

[-] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 14 points 1 week ago

Honestly, if you look at the receipts, it's even worse. It's a pattern of instance admins harassing this guy, banning him, and then accusing him of being abusive somehow to them (by, for example, using his downvote button) and also telling people he's a piece of shit.

[-] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 week ago

It’s a pattern of instance admins harassing this guy

Someone should really ask for receipts on this one.

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[-] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 week ago

May be this (emphasis mine):

Removed Comment
Me: "Oh look, the ghost said something stupid again. I wonder what they've been up to." [clicks profile] [sure enough, more stupid things are said, including blatant misinformation] Sorry that you say stupid things and break the rules, I guess? > I recall a few weeks back he said that because I don’t call out .ml that much (funny how he ignores me calling out Hexbear) I somehow must mass downvote his posts across lemmy. lol I'm sure you can quote me. It would be awful if your memory was as poor as your ability to construct coherent arguments. AND a place of honor in your bio? That's unironically great. Thanks for helping spread me all over the Fediverse!

Maybe the admin misread? Or they read that and then actually checked the data and found PJ did downvote all that other users stuff or smthn.

I tried to take a short look at the data but PJ has over 150k votes which probably breaks the page I use. (Admins can natively see this info in lemmy)

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 week ago

Or they read that and then actually checked the data and found PJ did downvote all that other users stuff or smthn.

Correct, I gave my admin over 25 links documenting it, after he said he stalks my account to do it.

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[-] dastanktal@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 week ago

He tends to get into a fight every single time I see him post and somebody says something that's even slightly controversial, which results in an easily hundred long comment thread.

He's more than willing to follow you around from thread to thread to and from community to community If he sees something on your profile he doesn't like or he disagrees with your political opinions.

If this is a Lemmy, anarchist instance, full of a bunch of super lefties, they're not gonna appreciate a Radlib coming in trying to start shit up and downvoting a bunch of people. They're probably just gonna block him like they have.

I think the recommendation here is if you're gonna downvote people, you probably want to just stick to downvoting people directly in the thread you're engaging with and not go in that person's profile and downvote every single thing they've ever done. Or claim that every single thing they've ever done is something you disagree with.

Unfortunately, he's a prolific proster, and some of his stuff is funny 🤷

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 week ago

He’s more than willing to follow you around from thread to thread to and from community to community If he sees something on your profile he doesn’t like or he disagrees with your political opinions.

And when you call him out on it, he'll make a new community to shame you for not liking him.

It's really funny that I called him out for it, he said he doesn't do it, and then make a community that got banned that's all about doing it.

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[-] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago

This the same guy that calls POC perspective of colonisation "melodramatic".

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[-] squid64@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago

While I think lemmy is great compared to reddit I still don't like the whole upvote and downvote system. As it's mostly based on people who agree with something and they will downvote you if they disagree with you. There should just be commends and replies to comments imo. At least downvoted posts don't get hidden from view I guess.

[-] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago

I disagree with you. I'd never want to go back to the old defaults in forums, of un-threaded conversations where every comment is equal (and generally sorted by timestamp). Some comments are just better than others, and a user interface should prioritize the better comments.

Comments that are interesting, funny, or informative can be read by more people when they're shown earlier in the page.

Comments that are rude, factually incorrect, off topic, etc., can be de-emphasized in the user interface, even if they don't technically break any rules. I'd rather it be a community driven decision than a mod-driven decision of the harsh consequences of comment removal or user ban.

The key is to find a community whose collective opinions you respect. Crowds may not be perfect, but they're generally better than individual mods.

And a naive "newest first" sort algorithm just prioritizes frequent posters and incentivizes "bumping" threads, which also detracts from the overall quality of a forum.

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