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Did someone show him Hexbear and Lemmygrad?
Oh, there’s no need for that, I got my comment removed at worldnews@lemmy.ml (why is this always ml, hmmm) after saying that Taiwan is a good functioning democracy and that they like their freedoms, so maybe China shouldn’t invade 😀
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Did someone show him Hexbear and Lemmygrad?
Hah, I'd say there's a non-zero chance. These places are so violent. I'd love to join in on some conversations over there if they wouldn't all turn so bloodthirsty that quickly.
I don't mind the bloodthirsty, I mind the lack of nuance and knowledge mixed with undeserved arrogance enough for a football team
How it will be implemented: Law enforcement now have to waste their resources previously spent on going after the far-right for their hate crimes on going after "communists", with "class-based hatred" having a much looser definition compared to others. This will lead to union leaders being prosecuted, while white nationalists will be let going away unpersecuted, because "lack of resources".
Especially since all the other things were already banned, class-based hatred is the only new thing in the list. So it's essentially a law just for that.
I'm sorry but class-based hatred is kinda my thing. I think it's honestly fair to be against the people actively destroying society and the planet.
They almost make it sound like "class" is some sort of immutable thing you're born into like ethnicity or skin color. When really it just means "rich people". And if you're rich beyond a certain threshold, it's pretty much a given that you decided to walk all over poorer people to get there. Hate justified.
They almost make it sound like "class" is some sort of immutable thing you're born into
It would be if they got any say in it.
Fun fact (I know this is c/europe) about the US: In the US, Nazis literally have more rights than communists. There are specific exemptions written into all US labor and immigration laws that remove any and all protective from anyone deemed to be associated with a Communist Party front. Some examples of this being the right to file claims against discriminatory workplace practices or being able to obtain legal residency.
No such restrictions exist for Nazis or any other far-right ideology.
It's fascinating that in a world where to far right is surging everywhere, having captured the only superpower, with the richest man in the world throwing sieg heils on live primetime television, where we are entering an era of new concentration camps, these kinds of liberals find it useful to do stupid shit like this. Do they not see that if/when the fascists capture their presidency they will use exactly these laws to turn the screws on everyone to the left of the far right?
You can fight any authoritarian ideology at any time. There is no fighting only fascism/nazism or Leninism/Maoism/Stalinism/Juche. The law signed targets specifically Soviet era propaganda and it's sympathizers and puts it on a level with Nazi propaganda, which is banned in Czechia to the extent it is banned in Germany.
Sure, like right wingers fight pedophilia when they target LGBT people.
But ok, let's take it at face value. There is no threat of a Soviet style takeover in Europe. They're beating a dead horse. So as far as dead horses go, why stop at Soviet oppression, start passing law legislating I don't know, glorifying Roman imperialism and Ottoman expansionism. Ban glorification of hussites and violent Anabaptists. Take your revenge on history. I hope the orgasm is worth it.
But then remember that there is however a rabid far right that calls European institutions "Soviet" and that has no interest in any checks and balances. They love calling social democrats "communists" and they love to talk about the threat of antifa and they love giving police more power to crack protestor skulls. If you can't see how these laws today are going to be used tomorrow by the fascists, even after what Trump is doing at the US, I don't know what else to tell you.
Hello? China? China calls itself "communist". Like all authcoms, it isn't actually socialism, but usually capitalism with "communist" aesthetics. A state creating an economic monopoly while not allowing workplace democracy is not socialism. Socialism is when the workers control the MOP, not the state. The state just creates unnecessary hierarchies in modes of economy.
Also I am for banning all parties seeking to impose authoritarian anti-democratic rule.
Is China threatening European democratic institutions in any way shape or form?
Yes through hybrid warfare and illegal police. Also our extreme right is oddly pro-China.
And look at the Belt and Road Initiative where they are doing things directly out of the US imperialism playbook where they build stuff and take control of infrastructure when countries cant pay in a timely manner.
https://routesjournal.org/2022/04/07/r2099/
https://brusselsmorning.com/chinese-firms-tiktok-xiaomi-face-eu-privacy-complaints/64765/
Also China used unfair trade tactics such as massive subventions to destroy European competition in the solar panel market in the EU and is now trying to do it with EVs.
Also trying to make the EU dependent on China is also a form of imperialist measure.
I don't know what Chinese hybrid warfare you are talking about. Any articles I've found with these keywords always seem to lump China with Russia, which I find just sensationalist. China is one of our biggest trading partners and I don't see any reason why Europe cannot find a live and let live modus vivendi with them. I mean if we can stomach the Palestinian genocide at our doorstep without a fucking peep, the Uighurs are far enough...
The illegal police issue is nowhere near an existentially serious problem that affects the viability of European democratic institutions.
And the danger of the far right has nothing to do with China.
China is an authoritarian state, yes, but it's one that for 3 decades at least has played nice with us. They are far less disruptive and threatening than the Trumpist Americans are. If Europe can find a way to work with Trumpist USA, why not with China too?
I friggin linked you articles. Also are you for real? You are just going to downplay serious stuff as basically "it's not as bad as what others are doing"? Also just because the US and Russia are problems, doesn't mean China isn't. Most of your counterarguments are whataboutisms and deflections so far.
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Honest question: how did you deduce that "kinds of liberals" did this? What sort of party does the Czech president belong to?
edit: I forgot that there will be much confusion about the US-American definition of "liberal", which sucks, because it applies to anything left of fascism. Fwiw, liberalism has a specific definition most which also many Republicans subscribe to. Fuck the US political system. Thanks for whoever tried to clarify below, but the discourse is a mess.
He was endorsed by a coalition of center-right classical liberal parties.
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He was widely lauded as a pro-western anti-populist liberal when he was elected. His political positions as re generally aligned with liberal parties across Europe.
@Hotznplotzn I can totally understand the point of view of left-leaning people - in a world where fascism literally rose back from the ashes and is threatening the whole free world from the inside, a law like this seems just... odd?!?
However, keep in mind the fact that here in Eastern Europe communism caught a totalitarian shape, with regimes in Soviet puppet states systematically breaking human rights and suppressing political opposition. Protests were not allowed, freedom of expression was not guaranteed, and the political elite of the former regime was systematically destroyed.
Even after the Iron Curtain fell, former members of the communist apparatus managed to maintain power, one way or another, and sometimes even their Moscow links. The only way we truly managed to beat them were at the polls, and even there, barely, aided by the big cities and the diaspora in the West.
Here in Romania for example, FSN, and later PSD, successfully managed to take over the entire territorial network of the former communist party. So it was an easy win for them for over 30 years.
If such a law was passed in my country, I don't think it would have any effect on the unions, as they do not use any communist insignia or whatnot. I think it is rather a way of bonding a permanent rapture with the past, by not allowing bad faith actors to make an apology of totalitarianism.
/my 2c
The thing is, that communism itself isn't necessarily authoritarian (if we want to be exact communism would mean a complete ebolishment of the state and until this happens we have a somewhat "authoritarian" socialist era). It can be as free as every western country, but it can also be authoritarian. The main principles that are promoted when promoting communism are not authoritarian. Its the idea, that people should own their workplaces and have more freedom, which is quite the opposite.
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up to five years for anyone who “establishes, supports or promotes Nazi, communist, or other movements which demonstrably aim to suppress human rights and freedoms or incite racial, ethnic, national, religious or class-based hatred.”
I'm uncomfortable with this. Wouldn't
up to five years for anyone who “establishes, supports or promotes movements which demonstrably aim to suppress human rights and freedoms or incite racial, ethnic, national, religious or class-based hatred.”
have been better?
While all that undoubtedly holds true for fascism, it does not do so for communism per se - just the authoritarian version of it which was developed in Russia in the past 100 years.
I know little about the political landscape in CZ, but isn't the regime currently rightwing-populist? And maybe the communist party is Kreml-backed?
Unfortunately neither that nor the "legal imbalance" is explained in the article.
I have a feeling that this institute is one of those ulltraconservatives, which thinks the nazis were bad, because they based their racism "not on facts and statistics, but on evil", and this is just one of the base building blocks of an Orbán/Trump/Putin style "illiberal democracy".
I feel like this too, but considering their past i think i can understand.
Considering their past I'd have hoped they know enough about this to phrase it better.
Frankly, even "Russians" (which was the contemptuous go-to term for their oppressors in most East-European countries) would've been better than "communists".
CZ is having trouble with several not-so-good extremes of populism and might even go the way of Hungary or Slovakia in the near future. That's probably the true reason for this misguided law.
While all that undoubtedly holds true for fascism, it does not do so for communism per se
Why does it always hold true for fascism? If communism can be done without the bad stuff, so should fascism.
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This is a weird take on both sides are the same argument.
Sounds like Czechia needs another Red army intervention.
a) The Red Army hasn't existed for almost 80 years now.
b) If you like ruskys so much let them intervene in your ass for all I care, but leave us out of that.
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And it sounds like you need a curb stomping tankie
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