Why drink your own alcohol when you can go to a disappointing bar and pay a 400-600% markup?
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That’s a wild take. Most people I know don’t go to bars for an efficient alcoholic experience. They go so they can dance and talk with people. Sure its like $7 a beer or $13 a drink, but that pays for clean up you don’t have to do, a place to hang out, and giving people willing to work late money to live. I don’t have any alcohol at home since it’s honestly too cheap and has already caused me problems.
Oh my God such an incredible hassle to toss my empty can in the recycling. Thank God for bars for doing the clean up. God bless 🙏🙏🙏
Your snark doesn’t really land when you obviously avoided my entire point of bars being a social thing. You wanna stay home and drink cheaper stuff by yourself, go nuts. I’m still gonna go out and make friends and memories.
did you need tweezers to pick that tiny part of the comment to respond to?
Most people I know don’t go to bars for an efficient alcoholic experience.
To reinforce what you're saying, bartenders I know tend to only have stories about one-off degeneracy that happens over the course of one night. But liquor store cashiers have stories about their regulars destroying their own lives over the course of months or years.
It's one of the few third places left, and one of the only third places open late when people are out of normal 9 to 5 work
Look how they massacred most coffee shops. 99% of them are for grabbing coffee togo, not for sitting down in.
Isn't the definiton of a third place that you can go there and just chill, without having to spend money?
The definition I always used is just a place separate from home and work
Given that coffee shops are (were) considered third places the expectations of not needing to spend money isn't really part of the definition I would say.
yea pretty sure 3rd spaces require no cost
park / library
don’t think coffee shop counts but maybe the idea is low cost?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_place
Bars and coffee shops are listed as examples here. The definition used doesn't include no cost, because otherwise so many places don't fall under the category
I’m aware and the creator of the term would be opposed but capitalism is good at subsuming all criticism
Oldenburg suggests that beer gardens, main streets, pubs, cafés, coffeehouses, post offices, and other "third places" are the heart of a community's social vitality and the foundation of a functioning democracy.[6]
The creator of the term himself had pubs and cafes listed as examples of a third place.
He is aware that modern suburbs only offer first and second places with a mandatory car-centric commute between them, and that "public" places have become commercialized to the extent in which one is required to purchase a good or service and is forbidden to "loitering."[8]
Sure the regulation against loitering obviously takes away the convenience nature of third places, but traditionally these places don't enforce the need to spend money to exist in the space. It's also not prohibitively expensive even if you spend money, i.e. its a place where people can conveniently make plans to hang out at.
To your point on capitalism, I've already talked about how capitalism are actively destroying cafes as third places. Starbucks as a notorious example has been promoting drive thru so much, taking away actual indoors space, and destroying the social aspect of cafes. Yes capitalism is bad and malicious in this sense, but a place isn't disqualified as a third place just because you can spend money there.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Oldenburg
Edit: better formatting
you pretty much quote my point, which is why I talk about low cost in my original reply (yes I said no co coat at first because the spirit is prevent comunity barriers)
if the cost is high enough to be a barrier to entry it’s not rally a 3rd space in spirit even if it is called a name in his list
which given murica today isn’t American coffee shops in his day
buy a 12$ late then get the fuck out is not a 3rd space
Your original point was that third places require no cost. If you want to change to low cost, then bars and cafes still fit that category.
The average person can afford to order a beer or a coffee during their hangout. I've worked at Starbucks before, in a mall. It's an average of 5 to 6 usd for a drink. The cafe my friend works in is the same. An average place is not serving 12 dollar lattes. The outliers here is some crazy customization, like if you ordered a veinte frappe with cold foam and extra pumps of syrup and subbing whole milk for oat, all that jazz, and the cashier decided to actually ring you up for all of it, or if you decided to go to erewhon.
There is obviously a financial barrier for classifying third places, but that barrier is moreso on the restaurant level in my opinion.
I could talk end to end about how capitalism and world events has led to the slow destruction of the cafe as a third place, but that doesn't mean a traditional cafe and pub is not one. I'm obviously not going to consider erewhon a third place. I'm not going to consider a bar in a penthouse hotel a third place.
Here's an example of UC talking about pubs and cafes being a third place. It even talks about the idea of spending money and free third places.
For watered down shet :<
The bar fits many many more people, some of whom you don't already know!
I'm the opposite, I go to groceries and buy snacks and stuff and pay 100 without breaking a sweat but If I have a 100 bill in a bar I'm in deep depression for the next 3 weeks.
This is how it should be lol.
I dont get why its not more common to just buy a pack of beers and a bottle and sit in the parc with the lads.
like who wants to spend half a days worth of salary for some meh beer in an overcrowded bar with shitty music.
(I guess the problem is the US has puritan laws against drinking alcohol outside, thankfully we don’t tend to have the in europe).
I was about to say,
"Cause there is no free third space for you and the lads to hang out" but you seem to have figured it out.
In proper capitalism you have to pay for the privilege to exist anywhere
I dont get why its not more common to just buy a pack of beers and a bottle and sit in the parc with the lads.
Because then I'd get arrested for drinking in public.
(I mentioned that at the bottom of my post if you had kept reading)
apart from the people saying this isn't even true... even if it were, one is a necessity and one is an indulgence. it's one thing to choose to blow some money for something fun and another to have to spend that much every week for mere sustenance.
To be fair... the bar is far more fun than the grocery store.
Such a boomer meme.
Fancy bars are optional extravagances. Groceries are fuckin not.
*Slaps Franzia box
You can fit so many drunk nights in this
To be fair 100$ of groceries is like 2 things now.
At my local bars, I tell them I'm (still) unemployed and then ask for the saddest, cheapest, beer. Usually it's High Life or a sad little green can I can't remember the name of. $4 or $5. One of them's a local enough bar that I know most of the bartenders now, at least.
5 dollars for a bad beer?? I pay 3 euros for a great beer!
Genesee, Rolling Rock, Pilsner Urquell, Dos Equis, Harp, or Heineken?
How? Are you paying like $15+ a pint or something?
Yup very common in here... designer drinks can be $25-$50 easily
What's a designer drink and why would I pay 25 dollars for it
It's what it sounds like, and you almost certainly wouldn't.
Oh wow, fuck that.
...yes? Is this not common?
Certainly not here anyway, £5 already feels expensive so if it's that much I will probably only have 1. Can usually find places that sell you a £2-3 pint.
Norwegians complaining/bragging about high alcohol prices is basically a meme. But it's true that prices have shaped the way we treat going out and partying. BYOB is fully expected at private parties unless anything else is announced. People rarely head out to nightclubs without being properly boozed up from a preparty at someones home. A store bought 0.5L beer could be as low as $2-$3, while a beer at a bar or a club is expected to be ~$12 at a very minimum, but typically slightly above $15.
0.5l is over 5 euros these days, you can't even get 20 beers for a hundred.
Australia no joke a pint is about $14 and a cocktail is about $20.
You drink something else than beer.
Normally drink cider
Some of us might be drinking more than 6 pints (6 UK pints is about 7.2 US pints). That's one way.
Another way is paying more than $15 per drink, yes, after including tax and tip in the US. That's somewhat common in some places, especially if cocktails are involved. Or higher end wine or spirits. Or even certain craft beers.
Your prices are crazy high. I can often get a round for less than that.
I do live in an expensive area, but didn't mean to imply that the prices I'm describing are the lowest available. Some people choose to go to more expensive places, or order a more expensive option.
Don't kink shame
I only pay for my first drink usually 😎 bartab plus cover is like no more than 30 most nights. Groceries though you can easily blow 300 on just a weeks worth these days
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