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Can someone explain this to me?

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[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 33 points 2 weeks ago

What safety standards are they not held to?

[-] ada@piefed.blahaj.zone 33 points 2 weeks ago

I think you have the wrong community...

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

I misunderstood. I thought the community title meant you are VERY attracted to cars.

[-] Evkob@lemmy.ca 23 points 2 weeks ago

Bicycles aren't held to the same safety standards as cars because bicycles are inherently way less dangerous than cars.

Your question is like asking why BB guns aren't held to the same safety standards as actual guns.

[-] jaykrown@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

My question stems from the fact that certain areas expect cyclists to share the road with cars while drivers are protected by higher safety standards, and cyclists are exposed to a higher level of danger.

[-] hildegarde 25 points 2 weeks ago

Cars are the danger.

[-] insomniac_lemon@lemmy.cafe 17 points 2 weeks ago

It's a lot less mass and speed (and thus momentum) and it also isn't a room-sized suit-of-armor that can allow accidentally plowing through the brick wall of a store (unscathed) because they dropped their cellphone between the couch cushions.

Aside from lower lethality for pedestrians than vs cars (especially 30mph+, high hood height trucks, blind spots or malfunctions), a bike rider is at risk to injure themselves in any sort of adverse event (be it flipping over the handlebars, falls/skids, or something like a faulty bicycle frame/fork).

[-] jaykrown@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

That makes sense, so why aren't bikes allowed on the side walk? Based on your argument.

[-] insomniac_lemon@lemmy.cafe 13 points 2 weeks ago

I mean... they sometimes are (if the sidewalk is designed for it), look at multi-use trails. A city near me allows bikes (coming from the trail) on wide sidewalks to the main street.

It depends on the flow of pedestrians (too many people would be difficult to navigate with a bicycle anyway) and it can be a visibility issue with doors of storefronts (especially as people leaving likely aren't expecting/looking-for someone passing on a bike).

[-] jaykrown@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Yea I guess it comes to the infrastructure, I'm in Chicago and we seriously need more REAL bike lanes, not something just painted on the road. I see drivers doing crazy shit all the time swerving into bike lanes almost hitting cyclists. I'm just really still confused about the logic of forcing cyclists to ride on the road where there are no bike lanes while the side walks are wide enough for them.

[-] insomniac_lemon@lemmy.cafe 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

A lot of issues like this are how things are designed. Taking a page from NotJustBikes (look them up if you haven't heard of them), lots of things are car-centric (cities, housing, zoning, parking-lots, lack of public transportation) even when it comes as a detriment to everyone not in a car (and sometimes even those in large vehicles, because congestion).

It's also another culture-war thing and not even just in the US, look how in Canada Doug Ford wants to remove even the painted bike lane.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

They should not be allowed in the sidewalk because they’re a hazard to pedestrians.

Bicycles are to pedestrians like cars are to bicycles. Every argument you can make about cars endangering cyclists also applies to cyclists endangering pedestrians.

Bicycles belong in the road because their speed is more similar to cars than pedestrians, their (lack of) maneuverability is more similar to cars than pedestrians.

Clearly three separate protected rights of way would be better than the current two

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 4 points 2 weeks ago

They're allowed in some places.

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Depends on the location. In some states bikes HAVE to be on the sidewalk if it exists.

[-] Fredthefishlord 2 points 2 weeks ago

In japan they don't but they all do anyways. Imo they should just be allowed on sidewalks

[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 weeks ago

I think almost everyone misunderstood what you were getting at. To be fair, it was pretty confusing.

You're saying "Cyclists are told to be on the road. Cyclists aren't protected as well as drivers are. Why should bikes be on the road if that's the case?"

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 6 points 2 weeks ago

Cars are not held by the same safety standards that trucks or buses neither. Is about the potential of damage that every vehicle could cause the standard they are subject to.

[-] i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago

What safety standards are you thinking of? Vehicle maintenance? Proof of competence to operate it? Following laws while moving?

The easy answer to it is probably “because enforcing cyclists is hard and doesn’t pay for itself in fines.”

[-] jaykrown@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Safety standards like seat belts, airbags, turn signals, brake lights. Things that protect the individual operating the vehicle.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Cyclists on the road are supposed to use hand signals to indicate turns, just like cars whose blinkers are not functioning

[-] i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 weeks ago

I think you’d get your answer by looking into how that works with motorcycles, since that’s a better analogy than cars.

[-] jaykrown@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yea this is a good point. I think bicycles should be required to have some lights at least to make them more visible to drivers.

please tell me it's a joke.

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