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How is kindness a bad thing? I thought that was universally agreed to be a good message to have in a piece of media. I guess the excuse is they don't want media to have messages at all but like, how would you even have a movie where the hero has no values that they stand for?

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[-] Walop@sopuli.xyz 185 points 2 weeks ago
[-] missingno@fedia.io 105 points 2 weeks ago

Propaganda is powerful. You convince your followers that some classes of people don't deserve kindness, you convince them that everything out of Hollywood is part of a leftist agenda, and once they believe both of those statements it's very easy to spin this as further proof of the narrative they've already bought into.

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 59 points 2 weeks ago

Hey, fascists don't deserve kindness.

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[-] sdcSpade@lemmy.zip 93 points 2 weeks ago

Probably the same idiots who thought Homelander was a hero.

[-] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 33 points 2 weeks ago

I've been wondering if there are Trump supporters watching The Handmaid's Tale and siding with Gilead

[-] Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz 18 points 2 weeks ago

I’m sure they have watched it and made lots of notes.

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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 69 points 2 weeks ago

Conservatives are still mad that Superman fought the kkk.

[-] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 34 points 2 weeks ago

Which is admitting they side with the kkk, isn't it

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[-] SCmSTR 16 points 2 weeks ago

If Superman were real, he 100% would have melted a lot of those racist fucks.

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[-] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 52 points 2 weeks ago

I really don't know how to convince people they should care about others.

I don't know how to teach empathy.

[-] plyth@feddit.org 18 points 2 weeks ago

People care about their in-group. Make being human their main identity.

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[-] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 43 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I like the Nathan Fillion comment during some red carpet interview when the interviewer was trying to egg him into saying something that would get rage clicks from one side or the other of the current political trash fire.

"its just a movie guys"

Superman was not a brooding edge lord until Snyder's take outside of specific story runs, and it is obvious that a lot of people don't know that.

[-] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 weeks ago

Captain Hammer best superhero, who's with me on this

[-] chaogomu@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

I so want a sequel to the sing along blog.

Dr Horrible has become obsessed with reviving Penny by turning back time. He doesn't care how many people need to die, because he believes he can "fix" things. But the risk of time travel is the destruction of the universe...

Captain Hammer, now knowing what pain is, has two choices, grow and overcome the pain, or continue to hide away...

And Penny. The multiple zombies, and clones, and computer simulations of Penny that were never "right". Well, she too has her parts to play.

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[-] renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.net 36 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

People angry that Superman represents kindness

Do these people exist? Is it just one troll, or a significant enough of a population to even give the slightest bit of thought?

[-] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 54 points 2 weeks ago

Look at how many Americans would voluntarily die themselves just to prevent "unworthy" people from getting free health care.

These people exist.

[-] BluJay320 23 points 2 weeks ago

Pain is the point for them

[-] AlecSadler 37 points 2 weeks ago

I frequent dive bars. I have met plenty of people who believe in kindness, and love, and Jesus and shit - but not for immigrants, not for non-white people, not for criminals of any level. I straight up have had these people say this to my non-white face and then say, "oh but you don't count because you have a job" or "you don't count because you aren't a drug addict". Etc. etc.

These people suck fucking dick and I want them all to die.

It's fucking ironic too when these same people talk about smoking weed, or stealing from big box stores self-checkouts, or vandalizing some dude's car.

"Rules for thee, not for me."

I read local obituaries solely to celebrate when I see some of these people die.

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[-] TheReanuKeeves@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago

I've met countless people who hate morals and will tell you you're an idiot if you treat other humans as equals

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[-] MehBlah@lemmy.world 35 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

They don't have a movie but they have a show. Homelander is the perfect 'hero' for these people. Only even the dullest dullard in the magat pile fails to recognize the character is evil but they never consider they are the baddies. Edit: fixed spell check.

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[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 34 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Cause Americans are obsessed with Rugged Individualism.

If you are in trouble, you don't accept help, much less ask for it. You pull yourself up by your bootstraps and turn your fortunes around with grit and determination using nothing more than the loose change in your pocket.

Thats how anyone that needs help became nothing more than social parasites leeching off the rugged individualistic success of their betters.

Thats why Americans, on the whole, have all but erased empathy and good will towards others.

Its why 1/3rd of the country actively votes for weak, pathetic fascists who poorly playact as strongmen. Its why 1/3rd of the country didnt bother voting, because they have no problem with fasciatic strongmen punishing the weak and the other.

The New Religion of the American Orthodoxy is basically "Fuck you, Got Mine".

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[-] michaelvile@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago

The cinematic-repubLkan-universe kindness is weakness.. Good doesn't pretend to be evil. But evil does pretend to be good..ffs, 'the list is on my desk..."

[-] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago

zack snyder and cristopher nolan turned goofy do-gooder superheroes into unfeeling federal agents and gods we should be subservient to

[-] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 2 weeks ago

I’m curious how this movie is, I’m used to the older ones and a show called Smallvile.

I did not know there was some anger about this Superman movie. Anyone could quick give me a small summary?

Though bit bummed out that they keep remaking movies and shows instead of making new ones.

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 40 points 2 weeks ago

Anyone could quick give me a small summary?

James Gunn commented that Superman is an immigrant, and conservatives are losing their minds

[-] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 40 points 2 weeks ago

People on Facebook are telling me he isn't an immigrant, he's from outer space. I'm so confused as to what they think an immigrant is

[-] Fluke@feddit.uk 24 points 2 weeks ago

Literally an illegal alien, and they refuse to see it.

[-] 790@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 2 weeks ago

The most illegal alien. Smallville had an episode where Clark helped hide an undocumented migrant. His mom tried to chastise him and he had to remind her his own paperwork is shady as hell.

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[-] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 2 weeks ago

and conservatives are losing their minds

"he can't be! He isn't brown!"

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[-] DarkMetatron@feddit.org 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

But that's nothing new. In Smallville there is one episode in which Clark literally said to his mother Martha that he is an illegal alien too.

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[-] biofaust@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago

I just came out of watching the new movie.

In the scene in which Clark gets interviewed, seen also in the trailer, it is transparent that Superman is with Francesca Albanese on a very current issue.

That's what they are mad about.

I guess WB/DC is gonna fall out of grace.

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[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago

this is what those people want.

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[-] Lyrac@programming.dev 18 points 2 weeks ago

I'm out of the loop here. I've seen something about the most recent director or writer calling Superman an immigrant, and Dean Cain hating on that take and calling it "woke". But I haven't seen anyone expressing that Superman should not represent kindness.

FWIW if you are looking at reviews for an upcoming or recently released movies, and a lot of the comments are calling it "too political" or "woke", give it a watch and come back with your own review. Those reviews are an indicator to me that it might be somewhat thought-provoking. (or also don't watch if you have no interest in the subject)

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[-] ideonek@piefed.social 17 points 2 weeks ago

Did someone acctually expressed that thought?

[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, Dean Fucking Cain did.

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[-] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 16 points 2 weeks ago

Idk, I always thought Superman was cool, but a little boring and vanilla. I normally prefer Batman. Admittedly, I've never dived down the Superman lore pit, but I am aware that he gets a little darker sometimes. He's definitely one of the better role model heroes. Anyone that actually hates Superman, is a dipshit.

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I dunno', batman is cool, but he's an ineffectual LARPer that refuses to do the ONE thing that would actually start to fix things in Gotham...

That and he's a billionaire that decides to keep up the playboi image despite his escapades demonstrably having a miniscule effect on crime in Gotham compared to him just using his billions to actually help solve the systemic issues in Gotham's economy that drives so many to crime in the first place.

In short, Batman is everything wrong with the American attitude about capitalism.

At least Superman has the excuse that he is not an economic powrhouse that actually could indirectly improve thousands upon thousands of peoples' lives. ... as weirdly as an all-powerful being not being an economic powerhouse is.

[-] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 14 points 2 weeks ago

Batman is definitely cool. That just can't be disputed. He definitely spends a fuck ton of money on the city. His main obstacle, is the writing. Gotham City has to be awful. It has to be, or there is no story. He can't kill villains regularly, because of plot. If the problems were capable of being fixed, then he'd be on of the best possible people to solve them.

[-] 4am@lemmy.zip 18 points 2 weeks ago

The problems are capable of being fixed. The people of Gotham take to crime to survive because they have been squeezed by the ruling class and it’s the only way to protect what remains of their material conditions.

The Waynes and people like them, the owning class, prop up a system of inequality that forces these conditions to endure.

Bruce Wayne, the richest and most powerful of all, is hurt back (his parents killed) and instead of solving the systemic issues, he doles out individualized corporal punishment as a vigilante.

It’s the ultimate extension of “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”: Rich people will never acknowledge that the very system that provides them power is the ultimate root of all the issues they intend to solve via violence. Batman is himself the ultimate villain of the story.

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[-] Sidhean@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

In fiction, hard agree; in reality, I'd summon super man over bat man pretty quick. I think he's boring because he doesn't leave much room for interesting conflict. irl, I don't want interesting conflict lol

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[-] mp3@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 weeks ago

They don't want Superman, they want Brightburn.

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[-] starlinguk@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, it's amazing how many people think admitting to being an asshole is a flex.

[-] FreePalestineCongo@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Billionaires like Peter Thiel have thought long and hard about why they can’t get everything they want. He has effectively said that his own policies would be so unpopular that nobody would ever vote for them, but that he has found the internet to be an effective tool to sway populations.

So what about us makes the world so good that they can’t fulfil their darkest desires? Social cohesion, knowledge and empathy.

What have himself, Muskrat et all have inundated us with over the last few years is their “antidote” to that: stranger danger, disinformation and “empathy is weakness”. It’s the playbook of the billionaire psychopath and people don’t realise they are dancing to their tune.

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[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago
[-] Aetherion@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

It seems like Superman is the hero we deserve to fight this fascist trash sitting in the White House and beyond.

We need more of these positive representations, and god I'm so glad that almost every hateful right-winger cannot be creative with something other than hate.

This movie gives me hope, but I cannot speak for you.

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